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bewitched · 12-16-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

I'm sorry, but if I were a parent, there is no way I'd allow my 7 or 8yo child swim in the deep end of the pool.

Then it would be likely your kid would be the dork odd man out because his parents wouldn't let him in the deep end.

Alex · 12-16-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

I'm sorry, but if I were a parent, there is no way I'd allow my 7 or 8yo child swim in the deep end of the pool.

When we were 8 that was the year of school required swimming lessons. And this was back when there was a 10M high dive at the public pool (other risk concerns eventually got rid of that) and we all used it with abandon once we had passed the necessary stage of lessons.

katiesue · 12-16-2008, 05:00 PM

I am a parent and I let my 7 or 8 year old swim in the deep end all the time. She took swim lessons for years and is a fairly strong swimmer. When we were that age we spent hundreds of hours at the public pool diving in the deep end. There were these square blocks you could check out and dive for them in the 8ft, which I hated cause I always feel like I'm drowning if I go that deep. And diving for them was a part of our swim lessons as well.

And I don't think it's all lack of supervision, although it could be. Kids can do the darndest things so fast you can't stop them. Madz got her head stuck in the fencing at the Tomorrowland Train Station when she was two. They finally got her out with bolt cutters but they thought they might need to weld. She did it in a second and none of us could figure out how she even got her head in a position to get in the space so we couldn't get her out.

Alex · 12-16-2008, 05:03 PM

The second link is to a personal injury law firm trolling for cases. That doesn't mean what they say is inaccurate just that they have a financial incentive to maximize the perceived risks.

The third link to the CDC is to a case where the protective drain cover was missing for some reason so very well might have happened regardless.

But my point is not that this regulation is unwarranted (as I said, I don't know enough to know), just that just as the "supervise your kids" thing is misguided, I think the "it's a real risk so the cost is a moral obligation which justifies making it a legal obligation regardless of the relative risk" is also misguided.

bewitched · 12-16-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

The second link is to a personal injury law firm trolling for cases. That doesn't mean what they say is inaccurate just that they have a financial incentive to maximize the perceived risks.

The third link to the CDC is to a case where the protective drain cover was missing for some reason so very well might have happened regardless.

But my point is not that this regulation is unwarranted (as I said, I don't know enough to know), just that just as the "supervise your kids" thing is misguided, I think the "it's a real risk so the cost is a moral obligation which justifies making it a legal obligation regardless of the relative risk" is also misguided.

Sorry about the second link. The third link is to an uncovered drain* but it address the same issues this legislation does. The reason for the drowning was the suction power created by having only one drain and the inability to free her because there was no emergency cut off switch.

*I believe, though am not certain that this is another issue the legislation addresses, i.e. easily removable drain covers.

eta: I added a new 2nd link.

Kevy Baby · 12-16-2008, 05:22 PM

This whole conversation sucks.

tracilicious · 12-16-2008, 10:21 PM

My five year old swims in the deep end. He's been swimming since he was a toddler. Without any sort of floatie/vest since he was a young four. He can also do the six foot high balance beam at gymnastics, climb to the top of the rock wall, etc. Seriously, I get so tired of people who obviously have no clue about kids or parenting criticizing parents all the time. It's fvcking hard people!

Betty · 12-17-2008, 07:43 AM

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It's fvcking hard people!

Amen to that!

CoasterMatt · 12-16-2008, 10:42 PM

I didn't want to go in any pool for a while when I was a lil kid, because of a news story about this kind of thing.

Capt Jack · 12-17-2008, 09:23 AM

hence, why I decided to stick with dogs.

12-16-2008, 05:00 PM	#3
katiesue Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,678	I am a parent and I let my 7 or 8 year old swim in the deep end all the time. She took swim lessons for years and is a fairly strong swimmer. When we were that age we spent hundreds of hours at the public pool diving in the deep end. There were these square blocks you could check out and dive for them in the 8ft, which I hated cause I always feel like I'm drowning if I go that deep. And diving for them was a part of our swim lessons as well. And I don't think it's all lack of supervision, although it could be. Kids can do the darndest things so fast you can't stop them. Madz got her head stuck in the fencing at the Tomorrowland Train Station when she was two. They finally got her out with bolt cutters but they thought they might need to weld. She did it in a second and none of us could figure out how she even got her head in a position to get in the space so we couldn't get her out. __________________ My life is so exciting I can hardly stand it.
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12-16-2008, 05:03 PM	#4
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	The second link is to a personal injury law firm trolling for cases. That doesn't mean what they say is inaccurate just that they have a financial incentive to maximize the perceived risks. The third link to the CDC is to a case where the protective drain cover was missing for some reason so very well might have happened regardless. But my point is not that this regulation is unwarranted (as I said, I don't know enough to know), just that just as the "supervise your kids" thing is misguided, I think the "it's a real risk so the cost is a moral obligation which justifies making it a legal obligation regardless of the relative risk" is also misguided.
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tracilicious avatar transition Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in-between Posts: 2,487	My five year old swims in the deep end. He's been swimming since he was a toddler. Without any sort of floatie/vest since he was a young four. He can also do the six foot high balance beam at gymnastics, climb to the top of the rock wall, etc. Seriously, I get so tired of people who obviously have no clue about kids or parenting criticizing parents all the time. It's fvcking hard people! __________________ And now Harry, let us step into the night and pursue that flighty temptress, adventure! - Albus Dumbledore
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12-17-2008, 09:23 AM	#10
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