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scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 01:30 PM

Sorry, but crossover voting has been going on with dems for a long time. This is how we got McCain as the republican nominee. I guess open primaries are OK unless they aren't.

I don't agree on the "stolen from the American people" thing.

GD, I knew you'd jump on that statement, but an argument can be made and has been by many an economist, though certainly not supported by what you cite.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-07-2008, 01:36 PM

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GD, I knew you'd jump on that statement, but an argument can be made and has been by many an economist, though certainly not supported by what you cite.

I have never seen any remotely convincing argument. Every argument I've seen is based either purely on theory, or on short-term economic effects that can easily be attributed to other factors and (as demonstrated by my link, and countless other sources) are negated by opposing trends in any long term analysis. There has never been any credible evidence of the supposed stimulating economic effect of incremental tax cuts that has crossed my eyes.

wendybeth · 05-07-2008, 02:29 PM

Scaeagles, somehow I knew you'd come back with a 'but they do it too' argument. Bad behavior is bad behavior, and it needs to stop somewhere. THAT is my main reason for voting for Obama- I will not vote for a candidate who engages in destructive politics . It's one thing to point out inconsistencies and untruths, and quite another to manufacture and engage in deception. So long as Obama continues on the high road, I will gladly follow.

wendybeth · 05-07-2008, 02:37 PM

The Obama campaign is getting some major backing today: Delegates aligning with Obama.

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At least four new Democratic superdelegates shifted toward Obama on Wednesday, convinced by his double-digit victory in North Carolina and better-than-expected showing in Indiana that he will be the candidate who takes on McCain in November.

Among the newly added supporters was Virginia’s Jennifer McClellan, who used to support Clinton, as well as North Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Jerry Meek, North Carolina Democratic National Committee member Jeanette Council and California DNC member Inola Henry.

Earlier in the day, 1972 presidential candidate George McGovern, who formerly backed Clinton, gave his blessing to Obama, saying he didn’t see how Clinton could win."

I took the article from FauxNews so Scaeagles wouldn't feel it was unbalanced.

innerSpaceman · 05-07-2008, 04:02 PM

Of course I'm throwing my support behind Obama if, er, when Clinton loses the nomination. D'uh.

Funny, because as scary as he is, I find MCain to be the least objectionable Republican candidate for president of my long lifetime.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-07-2008, 04:40 PM

You can't use the Florida and Michigan #'s. No campaigns were run there. Rather, Obama didn't run campaigns there due the the party rules. Clinton, while she didn't visit, actively pandered to them. Plus, wasn't there at least one of those where Clinton's name was on the ballot but Obama's wasn't?

JWBear · 05-07-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

You can't use the Florida and Michigan #'s. No campaigns were run there. Rather, Obama didn't run campaigns there due the the party rules. Clinton, while she didn't visit, actively pandered to them. Plus, wasn't there at least one of those where Clinton's name was on the ballot but Obama's wasn't?

Michigan. Obama played by the rules that both he and Clinton agreed on. Clinton is trying to change them.

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 04:42 PM

I'm not sure. I just think it is a card Hillary might play in her desperation.

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 05:06 PM

There's a shock.

mousepod · 05-07-2008, 05:28 PM

I'm a Clinton supporter who will vote for the Democratic nominee in November, whoever that may be (I originally supported Richardson, btw). What irks me to no end are the Obama supporters who are doing the Republicans job for them, by bashing the hell out of HC. The argument that Hillary is somehow ruining the Democrats' chances in November by staying in the race is a convenient (and silly) argument that seems to be the club of choice here. Blah to you.

For the record, Obama ran a cable TV ad which showed in Florida and even appeared at a fundraiser there last September. Both of these were choices he made after he promised to not campaign in Florida.

I'm not bashing, but c'mon people... the guy's a politician. Just like Clinton. Just like McCain.

05-07-2008, 01:30 PM	#1
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Sorry, but crossover voting has been going on with dems for a long time. This is how we got McCain as the republican nominee. I guess open primaries are OK unless they aren't. I don't agree on the "stolen from the American people" thing. GD, I knew you'd jump on that statement, but an argument can be made and has been by many an economist, though certainly not supported by what you cite.
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Scaeagles, somehow I knew you'd come back with a 'but they do it too' argument. Bad behavior is bad behavior, and it needs to stop somewhere. THAT is my main reason for voting for Obama- I will not vote for a candidate who engages in destructive politics . It's one thing to point out inconsistencies and untruths, and quite another to manufacture and engage in deception. So long as Obama continues on the high road, I will gladly follow. __________________
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05-07-2008, 02:37 PM	#4
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	The Obama campaign is getting some major backing today: Delegates aligning with Obama. " At least four new Democratic superdelegates shifted toward Obama on Wednesday, convinced by his double-digit victory in North Carolina and better-than-expected showing in Indiana that he will be the candidate who takes on McCain in November. Among the newly added supporters was Virginia’s Jennifer McClellan, who used to support Clinton, as well as North Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Jerry Meek, North Carolina Democratic National Committee member Jeanette Council and California DNC member Inola Henry. Earlier in the day, 1972 presidential candidate George McGovern, who formerly backed Clinton, gave his blessing to Obama, saying he didn’t see how Clinton could win." I took the article from FauxNews so Scaeagles wouldn't feel it was unbalanced. __________________
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Of course I'm throwing my support behind Obama if, er, when Clinton loses the nomination. D'uh. Funny, because as scary as he is, I find MCain to be the least objectionable Republican candidate for president of my long lifetime.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	You can't use the Florida and Michigan #'s. No campaigns were run there. Rather, Obama didn't run campaigns there due the the party rules. Clinton, while she didn't visit, actively pandered to them. Plus, wasn't there at least one of those where Clinton's name was on the ballot but Obama's wasn't? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'm not sure. I just think it is a card Hillary might play in her desperation.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	There's a shock.
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05-07-2008, 05:28 PM	#10
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	I'm a Clinton supporter who will vote for the Democratic nominee in November, whoever that may be (I originally supported Richardson, btw). What irks me to no end are the Obama supporters who are doing the Republicans job for them, by bashing the hell out of HC. The argument that Hillary is somehow ruining the Democrats' chances in November by staying in the race is a convenient (and silly) argument that seems to be the club of choice here. Blah to you. For the record, Obama ran a cable TV ad which showed in Florida and even appeared at a fundraiser there last September. Both of these were choices he made after he promised to not campaign in Florida. I'm not bashing, but c'mon people... the guy's a politician. Just like Clinton. Just like McCain. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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