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scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 06:26 PM

And speaking of McCain.....I'm almost back to thinking I can't vote for him. He takes more sides of an issue than Kerry.

He speaks about the need to secure the border to one audience, but when speaking to a racist Hispanic organization called "La Raza" he talks about the need for "comprehensive immigration reform" (which I take to mean his original amnesty plan), and then at other times he says all he needs is border governors to certify to him that their borders are secure. Yeah, right.

That's just one example of many. The man has always made me ill and I'm trying to ignore it, but it's only going to get worse after the dem nomination is decided (officially) and he is getting press again.

Back to thinking I may just sit this one out, but the thought of that just makes me feel as if I am failing in my civic duty. I've NEVER skipped even the most minor local election....not that I'd completely skip this one, as there are other casdidates and offices and propositions requiring votes.

Morrigoon · 05-07-2008, 06:54 PM

Holy reappearing posters, Batman, it's Fab! Hiya!

Fab · 05-07-2008, 07:07 PM

Hiya! I'm arriving back in SoCal for good June 9. First thing: get a job. Second thing: build a firepit in the backyard. Yep, I have a real-for-real HOUSE now.

JWBear · 05-07-2008, 09:00 PM

Leave Hillary ALONE!!!!!

sleepyjeff · 05-07-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

Leave Hillary ALONE!!!!!

scaeagles · 05-09-2008, 09:24 AM

What is the definition of a smear? Obama seems to think is he being smeared because of this -

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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday that Republican John McCain was "losing his bearings" for repeatedly suggesting the Islamic terrorist group Hamas preferred Obama for president.

However, what McCain is saying is 100% true.

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At the root of the dispute is McCain's decision to call attention to a Hamas adviser's apparent affinity for Obama. The adviser, Ahmed Yousef, said in a recent interview: "We like Obama and hope that he will win the election."

Obama says

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"This is offensive, and I think it's disappointing, because John McCain always says, 'Well, I'm not going to run that kind of politics,'" Obama said. "And then to engage in that kind of smear, I think, is unfortunate, particularly since my policy toward Hamas has been no different than his."

So how is that a smear? Hamas said we want Obama to win. McCain says Hamas wants Obama to win. Obama cries foul.

Gemini Cricket · 05-09-2008, 09:39 AM

Isn't it a smear to associate Obama with the Hamas group's opinion? I mean, who cares who Hamas favors. That is irrelevant to our elections. Just because Hamas favors Obama it doesn't mean anything.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-09-2008, 09:38 AM

Call it truthful or not, it's dirty and pathetic to use the propoganda from terrorist organizations as an aid to your campaign. What Hamas says shouldn't be a factor in US elections. Lord knows what their motivation is. It's hardly far-fetched to think that they'd be saying that because they don't want Obama and know that such an endorsement, if believed by voters, would hurt him.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-09-2008, 09:42 AM

And "smear" != "dishonest". You can use perfectly "truthful" information to unfairly smear someone. Say, by presenting information in such a way that implies an association with something hateful when there is none.

wendybeth · 05-09-2008, 08:35 PM

Hillary Clinton's camp put out the pic of Barack in Kenyan traditional garb, which was a gift to him from the country of his ancestors. Did they do this to increase his popularity? Not hardly- doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they were not-so-subtly trying to do. Same for McCain. You know, every time another candidate stoops to this level I feel even better about my choice. He's too clean to do anything but make up stuff about. McCain should be so lucky.

05-07-2008, 06:26 PM	#1
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	And speaking of McCain.....I'm almost back to thinking I can't vote for him. He takes more sides of an issue than Kerry. He speaks about the need to secure the border to one audience, but when speaking to a racist Hispanic organization called "La Raza" he talks about the need for "comprehensive immigration reform" (which I take to mean his original amnesty plan), and then at other times he says all he needs is border governors to certify to him that their borders are secure. Yeah, right. That's just one example of many. The man has always made me ill and I'm trying to ignore it, but it's only going to get worse after the dem nomination is decided (officially) and he is getting press again. Back to thinking I may just sit this one out, but the thought of that just makes me feel as if I am failing in my civic duty. I've NEVER skipped even the most minor local election....not that I'd completely skip this one, as there are other casdidates and offices and propositions requiring votes.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Isn't it a smear to associate Obama with the Hamas group's opinion? I mean, who cares who Hamas favors. That is irrelevant to our elections. Just because Hamas favors Obama it doesn't mean anything.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Call it truthful or not, it's dirty and pathetic to use the propoganda from terrorist organizations as an aid to your campaign. What Hamas says shouldn't be a factor in US elections. Lord knows what their motivation is. It's hardly far-fetched to think that they'd be saying that because they don't want Obama and know that such an endorsement, if believed by voters, would hurt him. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	And "smear" != "dishonest". You can use perfectly "truthful" information to unfairly smear someone. Say, by presenting information in such a way that implies an association with something hateful when there is none. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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05-09-2008, 08:35 PM	#10
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Hillary Clinton's camp put out the pic of Barack in Kenyan traditional garb, which was a gift to him from the country of his ancestors. Did they do this to increase his popularity? Not hardly- doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they were not-so-subtly trying to do. Same for McCain. You know, every time another candidate stoops to this level I feel even better about my choice. He's too clean to do anything but make up stuff about. McCain should be so lucky. __________________
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