Yes, we can.

[wendybeth]

I believe that's what advisers are for, Scaeagles. Which might explain the mess we're in now.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Sleepyjeff - She didn't say anything was off-limits; she said your conclusion was silly ... and it is. Dialog doesn't necessarily embolden enemies, no matter how much the right blogosphere keeps repeating it.

Oh, and according to this article, Roosevelt did engage in dialog with both Hitler and Mussolini.

From Time - Oct 10th, 1938

Then the President proceeded to draft his second appeal to Adolf Hitler, urging not only continued negotiation of the German-Czech issues but also a broad discussion, among all the powers directly interested, of questions correlated with those issues. Said President to Fuhrer: "Hundreds of millions throughout the world would recognize your action as an outstanding historic service to all humanity."

This plea the President further backed up by cabling a personal suggestion to Benito Mussolini that he say a restraining word to Herr Hitler. Mussolini already urged to this by Prime Minister Chamberlain (see p.15), had already talked to Herr Hitler by telephone when Ambassador Phillips in Rome arrived with Mr. Roosevelt's message.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Sleepyjeff - She didn't say anything was off-limits; she said your conclusion was silly ... and it is. Dialog doesn't necessarily embolden enemies, no matter how much the right blogosphere keeps repeating it.

Oh, and according to this article, Roosevelt did engage in dialog with both Hitler and Mussolini.

From Time - Oct 10th, 1938

Reagan met with Gorbachev, Bush met with Putin- hell, his dad threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister, and at a time when we weren't getting along real well with them. Every president has met with world leaders and many of these were not close buddies of ours.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Reagan met with Gorbachev, Bush met with Putin- hell, his dad threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister, and at a time when we weren't getting along real well with them. Every president has met with world leaders and many of these were not close buddies of ours.

Oh, I know. I'm just constantly amused that those on the right don't seem to get that anyone with even elementary Google skills can quickly disprove these silly talking points.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Reagan met with Gorbachev, Bush met with Putin- hell, his dad threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister, and at a time when we weren't getting along real well with them. Every president has met with world leaders and many of these were not close buddies of ours.

Reagan met with Gorbachev.....thus spelling the end to the Soviet empire(well, that worked out real well for Gorbachev )

Bush met with Putin..........Allies, hello

Bush met with the Japanese Prime Minister..........in 91' not 41'

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Reagan met with Gorbachev.....thus spelling the end to the Soviet empire(well, that worked out real well for Gorbachev )

Bush met with Putin..........Allies, hello

Bush met with the Japanese Prime Minister..........in 91' not 41'

So, Reagan shouldn't have met with Gorby, then? (Going by your rather tortured logic a few posts back...)

Putin is as much an ally as the Saudis or their ilk.

Japan was in the middle of taunting us for being lazy-assed, uncultured people who deserved the economic ass kicking they were dealing when George Sr. made his deposit on the PM.

Face it- nothing Obama does will ever be right for you. I understand; I feel much the same way about McCain and I certainly feel that way about Dubya. Oh, and I wouldn't gloat too much about the Soviet Union. We're headed down that same path.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Ok, and then what's wrong with negotiating? You think we don't give something when we go to war?

Why does it have to be one or the other?

Originally Posted by wendybeth

So, Reagan shouldn't have met with Gorby, then? (Going by your rather tortured logic a few posts back...)

No, no, no....Gorby should not have met with Reagan.

Putin is as much an ally as the Saudis or their ilk.

Yep, both are allies.....not enemies.

Japan was in the middle of taunting us for being lazy-assed, uncultured people who deserved the economic ass kicking they were dealing when George Sr. made his deposit on the PM.

They were still our military and economic allies....surely you can see the difference between Japan in 91' and Iran today?

Face it- nothing Obama does will ever be right for you.

I wouldn't say "nothing" but you are not far off the mark. I am a conservative and see Obama as a threat to the direction I wish this country to go(to be frank, I think McCain is also a threat to conservatism, but at least he might meet my expectations halfway every once in a while).....so yeah, of course I am going to nitpick and point out every little thing he does that disturbs me...even if only a little. I try to stay on the issues and not pick on his bowling score, where he was educated or his name but instead focus on things I really think matter, again, if only a little. I expect that if I am being unfair or just plain wrong lots of people here will point that out to me.

Oh, and I wouldn't gloat too much about the Soviet Union. We're headed down that same path.

Yep, nothing last forever and one day the US will go the way of the Roman Empire....but since predictions of our demise have been constant since 1776 you will have to excuse me if I don't stop my gloating over the end of an evil experiment in the bondage of the human soul we sometimes call the old Soviet Union

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Your accusation was ludicrous. You were postulating that a candidate for President willfully wants to help our enemies.

No I wasn't. I was pointing out that Obama doesn't know what he's talking about. My bad for not making that more clear.

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Sleepyjeff - She didn't say anything was off-limits; she said your conclusion was silly ... and it is. Dialog doesn't necessarily embolden enemies, no matter how much the right blogosphere keeps repeating it.

Yes it does....maybe not always but it does.

Oh, and according to this article, Roosevelt did engage in dialog with both Hitler and Mussolini.

From Time - Oct 10th, 1938

Good thing too otherwise Hitler and Mussolini might have really done some damage.


I wonder why he did not meet with them personally.....clearly he might have stopped the war had he gone the extra mile

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Yes it does....maybe not always but it does.

Personally I think continually proving we have our heads up our asses by basing our international policy on consistently faulty intelligence is doing plenty to embolden our enemies.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Personally I think continually proving we have our heads up our asses by basing our international policy on consistently faulty intelligence is doing plenty to embolden our enemies.

Like Libya?