Sequels to films that never were

Cadaverous Pallor · 12-04-2009, 09:45 AM

The upcoming Burton's Alice, so far as I've let myself read, involves an older Alice who comes back to Wonderland. (I may be wrong - I'm avoiding spoilers as much as possible.) This in effect makes it a sequel to a film that never was. Yes, there have been plenty of Alice films, but stylistically nothing like Burton's vision.

This brings to mind two movies - Hook and Return to Oz. Also, sequels to non-existent films. For the record, I love both of them.

Are there more?

Superman Returns doesn't really count. The actors channeled their predecessors so well, I think it actually counts as a sequel. Sure, they nuked the fridge a few times, but nothing can touch Superman IV in that department.

The newest Star Trek is an interesting one and can be argued from many angles...though the ideas that win out are that Nimoy is actually in it, and that the "reboot" concept is completely different.

More?

BarTopDancer · 12-04-2009, 10:00 AM

Not at the moment, only because I am confused as to what would constitute a sequel to a movie that never was.

I always considered Return to Oz a sequel to WOO and Hook a stand alone version of Peter Pan.

Or maybe I need more coffee.

Alex · 12-04-2009, 10:06 AM

Yeah, I'm a bit fuzzy on the idea here. If I understand correctly it is essentially this:

The creator of a new work chooses to delve into the later exploits of existing characters but completely independent of that original creation. Kind of like if I sat here and wrote the screenplay to Crocodile Dundee IV.

If so, I'd question Return to Oz because while it may be completely separated from The Wizard of Oz as a movie it is still an amalgmation of two of L. Frank Baum's sequel novels.

Hook, I can see. I'm not immediately coming up with another movie but the first thing that comes to are books that do a similar thing in taking a work in the public domain and writing the a sequel. Like the Gone with the Wind sequel written years back. After his death there was a mini cottage industry of other authors writing novels set in Isaac Asimov's Robots/Foundation universe using their own personal style, but those weren't entirely segregated.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-04-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The upcoming Burton's Alice, so far as I've let myself read, involves an older Alice who comes back to Wonderland.

Oh really? I hope so since, as a general rule of thumb, I find Burton at his best when he's working from original material rather than adapting existing material (Bettlejuice, Nightmare, Mars Attacks, Edward Scissorhands, as opposed to Big Fish, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Planet of the Apes). Batman's an exception to the rule, though even there I prefer Returns which was more of a departure from the comic book world than the first. And Corpse Bride is an exception on the other side (original material that was just kinda meh). But I'll hold out hope that working with a new chapter to the story for Alice has inspired him to greatness once again.

As for the topic in the OP, I might throw the George Clooney Batman films in there. Sort of. I mean, they don't really follow directly from any Batman movie prior to it, and don't start at the beginning of the Batman storyline. But then, in the comic-book world that's hardly any big deal, happens all the time.

I agree with Hook. It definitely presumes a known backstory, yet no version of the backstory that matches what's in that movie ever existed.

BarTopDancer · 12-04-2009, 11:00 AM

So basically a sequel to a film that never was would be a movie based upon a film with completely different canon?

Tref · 12-04-2009, 01:20 PM

I always thought the Kaufman remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers was technically a sequel because it begins where the original ended, with Kevin McCarthy (as Dr. Miles J. Bennell) warning people that, "They're here!"

Strangler Lewis · 12-04-2009, 01:39 PM

Isn't every film a sequel to a film that was never made? Even a sequel, because one can imagine a totally different prequel focusing on different events in the characters' lives.

Chernabog · 12-04-2009, 01:46 PM

I can't think of any movies right now, but the video game "Alice" (by American McGee) was a "sequel" to Alice in Wonderland the same way the Burton movie is.

Though I don't think that Burton will present the Queen of Hearts as a giant tentacle monster.

Kevy Baby · 12-04-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Kind of like if I sat here and wrote the screenplay to Crocodile Dundee IV.

Now that I would like to see!

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Originally Posted by Chernabog

Though I don't think that Burton will present the Queen of Hearts as a giant tentacle monster.

How about a Giant Testicle Monster?

lashbear · 12-04-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chernabog

I can't think of any movies right now, but the video game "Alice" (by American McGee) was a "sequel" to Alice in Wonderland the same way the Burton movie is.

Though I don't think that Burton will present the Queen of Hearts as a giant tentacle monster.

weren't the kids in that skoolhouse creepy ???? *shudder*

12-04-2009, 09:45 AM	#1
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	Sequels to films that never were The upcoming Burton's Alice, so far as I've let myself read, involves an older Alice who comes back to Wonderland. (I may be wrong - I'm avoiding spoilers as much as possible.) This in effect makes it a sequel to a film that never was. Yes, there have been plenty of Alice films, but stylistically nothing like Burton's vision. This brings to mind two movies - Hook and Return to Oz. Also, sequels to non-existent films. For the record, I love both of them. Are there more? Superman Returns doesn't really count. The actors channeled their predecessors so well, I think it actually counts as a sequel. Sure, they nuked the fridge a few times, but nothing can touch Superman IV in that department. The newest Star Trek is an interesting one and can be argued from many angles...though the ideas that win out are that Nimoy is actually in it, and that the "reboot" concept is completely different. More? __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Not at the moment, only because I am confused as to what would constitute a sequel to a movie that never was. I always considered Return to Oz a sequel to WOO and Hook a stand alone version of Peter Pan. Or maybe I need more coffee. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yeah, I'm a bit fuzzy on the idea here. If I understand correctly it is essentially this: The creator of a new work chooses to delve into the later exploits of existing characters but completely independent of that original creation. Kind of like if I sat here and wrote the screenplay to Crocodile Dundee IV. If so, I'd question Return to Oz because while it may be completely separated from The Wizard of Oz as a movie it is still an amalgmation of two of L. Frank Baum's sequel novels. Hook, I can see. I'm not immediately coming up with another movie but the first thing that comes to are books that do a similar thing in taking a work in the public domain and writing the a sequel. Like the Gone with the Wind sequel written years back. After his death there was a mini cottage industry of other authors writing novels set in Isaac Asimov's Robots/Foundation universe using their own personal style, but those weren't entirely segregated.
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Tref Not Tref Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,188	I always thought the Kaufman remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers was technically a sequel because it begins where the original ended, with Kevin McCarthy (as Dr. Miles J. Bennell) warning people that, "They're here!" __________________ Tref3.0 Listen in aural 3-D to Pop's muzak! (New songs added semi-bi-daily) j & j Did you know that Emas eht yltcaxe is exactly the same spelled backwards?!
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Chernabog Biophage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Moon Posts: 2,679	I can't think of any movies right now, but the video game "Alice" (by American McGee) was a "sequel" to Alice in Wonderland the same way the Burton movie is. Though I don't think that Burton will present the Queen of Hearts as a giant tentacle monster. __________________ And they say back then our universe Was a coal black egg Until the god inside Burst out and from its shattered shell He made what became the world we know ~ Bjork (Cosmogony)
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