Societal norms, the Moral Majority and a rant that feels so good

SacTown Chronic · 10-31-2005, 11:59 AM

Dear Moral Majority and those who feel the need to tell me how to live my life,

Fvck you. You say you have the answers but who asked you anyway? Don't you fvcking dare judge me based on how you live your life. You don't know me. You don't know what's in my heart. You don't know my wife. You do not understand that she's twice the spouse and ten times the parent that you are. I don't judge your personal life, mother****er, so stop judging mine.

I suggest you clean your side of the street before coming over and telling me that you think my side is dirty, you worthless hypocrites. I'm happy with who I am. I'm happy with my wife and I'm more in love with her now than ever. I'm proud of my kids. My family makes this world a better place so I don't need you getting in my face with your values and your opinions. Dig? Am I getting through to you? Cause here's the rub: I don't give a shiit what you think. I live to honor my wife and my children, not you. So take your cracked, uptight ass and walk.

There, I feel much better. Thanks for listening.

Disclaimer: This is not directed at any of you swanky LoT'ers. It's me venting about a bit of human ugliness that Crystal and I encountered this weekend.

Kevy Baby · 10-31-2005, 12:10 PM

Sac:

Ya gotta stop beating around the bush on these things. If ya got something to say, just come out and say it!

Seriously; I am curious what ugliness (besides the usual myoptic one-sidedness of the [im]Moral [not a] Majority) were subjected to.

SacTown Chronic · 10-31-2005, 12:28 PM

Kevy, basically it was a couple telling us that the inner workings of our marriage are wrong because it is different than their marriage. Does that make sense?

It wasn't so much that they wanted to force their morals on us (as if they even know what our morals and standards are) as it was that they looked at our marriage, noticed it was different than their marriage and decided we were living wrong and they needed to tell us. And of course they went about it the wrong way and went from 0 to self-righteous in 5.3 seconds. It burns my ass because our marriage is really, really strong and i don't need these a-holes taking a superficial look at our life together and telling us how to live our lives.

It's been bugging me and I suspected that venting would help me get over it. And I can already feel the healing begin (but that might just be GC's prayers kicking in).

Alex · 10-31-2005, 01:29 PM

I think we don't do enough judging of other people and when we do, we don't do it correctly. First, too many of us expect the government to endorse our judgements which is wrong. And another too many of us feel that just because we have judged someone and decided we don't want to interact with them that it is important that this person be told that they've been judged and found lacking.

There are a lot of people I don't like because of the way they behave (and frequently it is for doing things that I consider pefectly acceptable personal decisions: such as heavy recreational drug use), I just don't feel it necessary to tell them about it. So, the fact that I don't approve doesn't mean I expect them to change. I just don't socialize with them.

But societal norms for public interaction are important and judging is important.

Kevy Baby · 10-31-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I think we don't do enough judging of other people and when we do, we don't do it correctly.

I disagree (with the first part). I think that too many people rush to judgement of others based solely on their own limited perspective. A person might judge a couple that is engaged in a small argument as having a troubled marriage. In reality, the couple may very well have a very stable, healthy marriage. It is normal to have disagreements and it is healthy to discuss them. And it is healthy to occassionally let one's emotions get the best of them. (Definitely not even thinking that was the case of the OP; just using this as a random example to support my argument.)

Also, I think that people have a propensity to judge others when in reality it is just their own, often dis-owned, issues that are coming to light. If somebody is often seeing others as loud mouths, the probability is fair that the individual making those accusations is her/himself a blow-hard.

One of the largest issues I have with many organized religions is their self-view of the world. They often believe that their way is the ONLY way (often ultimately having nothing to do with spirituality, which is what religion is all about), and that all others must be quelled.

wendybeth · 10-31-2005, 01:57 PM

I agree with KB- there is too much judging, too much meddling and too many sanctimonious assholes running around proclaiming that their way is the only way. I suppose that's human nature, and the reason for the admonition of "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

Alex · 10-31-2005, 02:04 PM

Hey, by no means am I saying that people are necessarily good at judging others. Judging does not make one right. But we all do it and people have gotten mighty screwed up about what the right way to do it is, primarily by expecting the government to enforce our individual views on what proper behavior is. Also, the scope has gotten out of whack.

Somehow we have turned it around to where it is more acceptable to judge private behavior than public behavior.

I'm a very judgmental person, I just don't think my judgments should carry much weight with other people and simply try to use them to decide how I will live my life.

My problem with most organized religions (and most of the unorganized ones) is their insistence on the existence of a supernatural realm.

Not Afraid · 10-31-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

And another too many of us feel that just because we have judged someone and decided we don't want to interact with them that it is important that this person be told that they've been judged and found lacking.

Well, it may become self-evident when I've decided that a person's actions are "too stupid or their resulting behaviour too obnoxious" in my judgement for me to want to be around them, but I usually will try not to say something overtly - unless a particular situation calls for it.

I agree with what you said about behaviour completely. Everyone lives different types of lifestyles. There are some I agree with and other I do not. I've usually base my negative experience on my own personal experience and not one of a "higher morality". But, usually, it just gets down to people acting like idiots and i judge that I don't want to be around them.

So, judging IS important for me and my sanity. I just don't keep people around me that I judge to be "too stupid". Granted, deeming someone "too stupid" is a pretty indulgent determination, but....that's all I've got to go on.

Gemini Cricket · 10-31-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Dear Moral Majority and those who feel the need to tell me how to live my life,

Fvck you. You say you have the answers but who asked you anyway? Don't you fvcking dare judge me based on how you live your life. You don't know me. You don't know what's in my heart. You don't know my wife. You do not understand that she's twice the spouse and ten times the parent that you are. I don't judge your personal life, mother****er, so stop judging mine.

I suggest you clean your side of the street before coming over and telling me that you think my side is dirty, you worthless hypocrites. I'm happy with who I am. I'm happy with my wife and I'm more in love with her now than ever. I'm proud of my kids. My family makes this world a better place so I don't need you getting in my face with your values and your opinions. Dig? Am I getting through to you? Cause here's the rub: I don't give a shiit what you think. I live to honor my wife and my children, not you. So take your cracked, uptight ass and walk.

There, I feel much better. Thanks for listening.

Disclaimer: This is not directed at any of you swanky LoT'ers. It's me venting about a bit of human ugliness that Crystal and I encountered this weekend.

SacTown,
I'll pray for you.

Kevy Baby · 10-31-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

SacTown,
I'll pray for you.

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You must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Gemini Cricket again.

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10-31-2005, 11:59 AM	#1
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Societal norms, the Moral Majority and a rant that feels so good Dear Moral Majority and those who feel the need to tell me how to live my life, Fvck you. You say you have the answers but who asked you anyway? Don't you fvcking dare judge me based on how you live your life. You don't know me. You don't know what's in my heart. You don't know my wife. You do not understand that she's twice the spouse and ten times the parent that you are. I don't judge your personal life, mother****er, so stop judging mine. I suggest you clean your side of the street before coming over and telling me that you think my side is dirty, you worthless hypocrites. I'm happy with who I am. I'm happy with my wife and I'm more in love with her now than ever. I'm proud of my kids. My family makes this world a better place so I don't need you getting in my face with your values and your opinions. Dig? Am I getting through to you? Cause here's the rub: I don't give a shiit what you think. I live to honor my wife and my children, not you. So take your cracked, uptight ass and walk. There, I feel much better. Thanks for listening. Disclaimer: This is not directed at any of you swanky LoT'ers. It's me venting about a bit of human ugliness that Crystal and I encountered this weekend.
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Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	Sac: Ya gotta stop beating around the bush on these things. If ya got something to say, just come out and say it! Seriously; I am curious what ugliness (besides the usual myoptic one-sidedness of the [im]Moral [not a] Majority) were subjected to. __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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10-31-2005, 12:28 PM	#3
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Kevy, basically it was a couple telling us that the inner workings of our marriage are wrong because it is different than their marriage. Does that make sense? It wasn't so much that they wanted to force their morals on us (as if they even know what our morals and standards are) as it was that they looked at our marriage, noticed it was different than their marriage and decided we were living wrong and they needed to tell us. And of course they went about it the wrong way and went from 0 to self-righteous in 5.3 seconds. It burns my ass because our marriage is really, really strong and i don't need these a-holes taking a superficial look at our life together and telling us how to live our lives. It's been bugging me and I suspected that venting would help me get over it. And I can already feel the healing begin (but that might just be GC's prayers kicking in).
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10-31-2005, 01:29 PM	#4
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I think we don't do enough judging of other people and when we do, we don't do it correctly. First, too many of us expect the government to endorse our judgements which is wrong. And another too many of us feel that just because we have judged someone and decided we don't want to interact with them that it is important that this person be told that they've been judged and found lacking. There are a lot of people I don't like because of the way they behave (and frequently it is for doing things that I consider pefectly acceptable personal decisions: such as heavy recreational drug use), I just don't feel it necessary to tell them about it. So, the fact that I don't approve doesn't mean I expect them to change. I just don't socialize with them. But societal norms for public interaction are important and judging is important.
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10-31-2005, 01:57 PM	#6
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I agree with KB- there is too much judging, too much meddling and too many sanctimonious assholes running around proclaiming that their way is the only way. I suppose that's human nature, and the reason for the admonition of "Judge not, lest ye be judged". __________________
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10-31-2005, 02:04 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Hey, by no means am I saying that people are necessarily good at judging others. Judging does not make one right. But we all do it and people have gotten mighty screwed up about what the right way to do it is, primarily by expecting the government to enforce our individual views on what proper behavior is. Also, the scope has gotten out of whack. Somehow we have turned it around to where it is more acceptable to judge private behavior than public behavior. I'm a very judgmental person, I just don't think my judgments should carry much weight with other people and simply try to use them to decide how I will live my life. My problem with most organized religions (and most of the unorganized ones) is their insistence on the existence of a supernatural realm.
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