Pledge

Ghoulish Delight · 03-21-2006, 04:11 PM

I pledge an affinity to the ideals
of the United States of America
And to the freedoms for which they stand:
One humanity, indivisible
With liberty and justice for all.

Gemini Cricket · 03-21-2006, 04:25 PM

I dig it.

Motorboat Cruiser · 03-21-2006, 04:44 PM

Ooh, you've done it now. God's gonna be maaaad.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-21-2006, 04:55 PM

The under God thing aside, I never much liked pledging allegiance to a flag. The whole flag culture thing always seemed to border on idolitry.

Not Afraid · 03-21-2006, 05:41 PM

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affinity to the ideals

Oh no. Do we have to define what these ideals are? That sounds like a fun conversation!

wendybeth · 03-21-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Ooh, you've done it now. God's gonna be maaaad.

MBC might have to buy me a new monitor. Lol!!!

Ghoulish Delight · 03-21-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

Oh no. Do we have to define what these ideals are? That sounds like a fun conversation!

Thus I discarded "allegiance". I like the much more fluid implication of "affinity".

Motorboat Cruiser · 03-21-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

MBC might have to buy me a new monitor. Lol!!!

You might have to wait a little while for that. I'm saving up for an espresso maching for scaeagles once he has at least some limited control of his sphincter again.

Prudence · 03-21-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

The under God thing aside, I never much liked pledging allegiance to a flag. The whole flag culture thing always seemed to border on idolitry.

Yes! I had the devil's own time getting permission to not salute the flag every morning in high school. (even though I believe it's illegal to require students to do so.) The argument is that the flag represents the ideals, but I disagree. The flag represents a political entity, and while the ideals may be implicit, they're also not stated outright and therefore can be conceptually separated. I'd much rather explicitly pledge to the ideals.

Alex · 03-21-2006, 07:25 PM

I never had any problem for teachers for not saying it. They were more caught up on how it was possible that I wouldn't want anything done for my birthday than me not pledging allegiance or putting my hand over my heart during the national anthem.

The "one humanity, indivisible" is where I get caught up since humanity is almost infinitely dvisible and people like it that way.

03-21-2006, 04:11 PM	#1
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Pledge I pledge an affinity to the ideals of the United States of America And to the freedoms for which they stand: One humanity, indivisible With liberty and justice for all. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I dig it.
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Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	Ooh, you've done it now. God's gonna be maaaad.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	The under God thing aside, I never much liked pledging allegiance to a flag. The whole flag culture thing always seemed to border on idolitry. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I never had any problem for teachers for not saying it. They were more caught up on how it was possible that I wouldn't want anything done for my birthday than me not pledging allegiance or putting my hand over my heart during the national anthem. The "one humanity, indivisible" is where I get caught up since humanity is almost infinitely dvisible and people like it that way.
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