International

[innerSpaceman]

Hmmm, I sorta think of Random Political as U.S.-based, or at least involving U.S. foreign policy when it's mildly international. But the topic I want to address is purely international. Mods, feel free to move this if it belongs elsewhere.


I'm very distressed over the Israeli court's order to evict Palestinians from homes coveted by Jewish settlers, apparently based on doctrines of 19th Century law.

It's always bothered me greatly how the Israelis seem more and more to become like the Nazis that were their most loathed enemy and destroyer.


But this particular step so creeps me out. Kicking Palestinians out of their homes so jews can live there!? WTF? Third Reich, much?


This is really sick, and I'm appalled.




On a more spiritual note, it's so important not to judge and not to hate. Not merely because it's wrong to do so. But sooner or later, in this life or the next, we are doomed to become that which we hate and that which we judge.

Beware.

[Morrigoon]

The Israelis have been pissing me off for a long time. I know we have to be there to protect them, but I can't help being resentful of the way they behave as a result of having Big Brother behind them.

(And by "they" I of course mean the government, not the people themselves)

[dlrp_bopazot]

well this war between the Jewish and Muslims aren't new you know . It's been a big problem here as the Muslims are racist against the Jewish and same but on the opposite side .

That's why Turkey will never be a part of the E.U . I know a lots of people who wants to go to Tell Aviv on their vacations .

From here it's like 5 Hours flight and Round trip ticket to Tel Aviv cost around $400 .

Who's been to Tel Aviv before ?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Yeah, another disappointing move by Israel, and the rest of the world is pissed, including our Administration and Britian.

Looks like Israel is telling everyone to screw off. So much for the Roadmap, not that it meant much in the first place.

I really wouldn't be surprised if this stuff escalates really quickly and soon they are forcing all non-Jews out of their borders...and we all find out what it REALLY means when a country defines itself as recognizing one religion above all others.

[Alex]

You mean we don't already know what it means when that happens? To not define one religion above all others is the relatively novel (and historically recent) option.

Or do you mean that Jews would do something unique in this regard?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Alex

You mean we don't already know what it means when that happens? To not define one religion above all others is the relatively novel (and historically recent) option.

Or do you mean that Jews would do something unique in this regard?

I mean that in the past there have been motions by Israel to work towards peace, in one way or another. I, like many other Jews in America was hopeful that it could be achieved.

A religious based state est. 1948 is something unique in that it only came to be in the 20th century and out of world guilt over the worst intolerance ever committed. It is nice to believe that this means that these wronged Jews would set up their new State to be peaceful and tolerant towards others, even as they embraced the obvious Jewishness of the concept of Israel.

My knowledge of Israeli history is by no means absolute but I have a basic concept that it tried to accommodate the Palestinian contingent to some degree for quite a while. Yes, there have always been clashes, with faults on both sides.

I can't say that there was a specific turning point, but the wall was a big deal for me, though I'm sure it had already crossed the line before then.

My current belief is that it was only a matter of time before things got down to the root of it. "Jewish State" means all others are second class citizens.
"Second class citizens" means that these people will never be represented by this gov't and their only recourse is to fight for their own gov't. (There have been Christian communities inside Israel forever, but it seems that with the greater threat of Islam we're still buddies, no prob.)

There is no way to have an Israel and NOT proclaim it a Jewish state. It's kind of the point. There are consequences to this.

It's a really sad state of affairs that the people of Israel can't see this basic truth and allow them the representation they deserve as human beings.

ETA - this is a really quick summary and I'm sure it makes no sense.

[innerSpaceman]

I'm not a scholar of Middle Eastern history either, but if by "accommodate" you mean forceably exile ... then you've got it right, as I understand it.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I mean that in the past there have been motions by Israel to work towards peace, in one way or another. I, like many other Jews in America was hopeful that it could be achieved.

Ok, I minunderstood what you said I guess. If you meant that finally Israel will act like it is a religious state that's one thing but when you said

and we all find out what it REALLY means when a country defines itself as recognizing one religion above all others.

I thought you were talking bigger than Israel and many countries have set themselves up recognizing one religion above all others (such as, for the most part, all of Israel's neighbors but also most of the world at one point or another).

What you meant is clear now. I was just reading the emphasis on the wrong words in the sentence.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Unclear wording on my part, no worries.


Later when I have time I'll hit this thread for an Iran discussion, as the situation there is not going away, even as American coverage has waned.

[Disneyphile]

I've always felt that we should just back away and let them have at each other. If people are bent on destroying each other, it's going to happen no matter what. Might as well let it.