Michael Moore's "Sicko" - Page 5

mousepod · 06-25-2007, 01:24 PM

No need to apologize. I just figured you were being a jerk for fun.

Alex · 06-25-2007, 01:33 PM

Fair enough. Though I prefer the term prick.

€uroMeinke · 06-25-2007, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Fair enough. Though I prefer the term prick.

Prick, jerk - I find the terms go hand in hand.

Gn2Dlnd · 06-25-2007, 01:49 PM

Sometimes I can be a jerk for prick.

I mean, if that's what it takes.

blueerica · 06-25-2007, 10:44 PM

While affordability is certainly a problem for many, I have concerns over a government-run healthcare system, especially in light of the direction that the political pendulum is swinging. I certainly wouldn't want the right, particularly the religious right, controlling my health decisions, on top of the other potential costs that are absorbed by us as a whole.

I'm uneasy about so much these days. I'd feel better (though still probably not 100%, because that's just who I am) about a socialistic turn in healthcare if we had a more open-minded government, in terms of scientific research. Unfortunately, this is not the case at the moment, so I remain uneasy about any significant change in health care. As it stands, voters on the religious right are too busy arguing about whether Mitt Romney, a Mormon, is of Satan... because... you know... Mormons don't believe in Christ or anything - how can I rely on them to know what's right for me or my body, if so many of their proponents don't know the difference between their various cults. (For those not in the know... Mormons really aren't all *that* different from regular old Christians) Thus, at this time, I don't want the government involved with my healthcare decisions until I can feel more secure in what choices I have available.

Mrs. Nesbitt · 06-25-2007, 10:47 PM

I agree our healthcare system is not perfect and changes need to be made. There are always exceptions to the rule and while living a healthy lifestyle does not mean you won't contract a disease, it is always better to try and prevent it.

As with all of Moore's movies, while classified as a documentary, he does find examples to fit his theme for the movie. It is not an objective piece. None of his movies have been. It if helps move this country along in changing its health policies that is great, but I think using the rest of the world is an an example and saying they have it right when they have many issues also is just onesided.

No one has the perfect system and I do not believe socialized medicine, with the history our government has in running programs, would solve the problems.

As for costs, a general visit once a year to a doctor for a physical probably would be about $150.00. $3.00 a week. One less latte, lower your cell phone bill, cut back on the Internet, there are always ways to save money. Often we take for granted things that are luxuries and call them necessities and then say we cannot afford the basics.

blueerica · 06-25-2007, 10:50 PM

Mrs. Nesbitt - Thank you.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Addendum: Yes, I will watch the movie, and evaluate my opinions, while keeping certain propagandistic tendencies in mind.

Chernabog · 06-26-2007, 03:19 PM

It is rather nasty though when routine procedures cost obscene amounts. I have a Blue Cross PPO (cost: $3000/yr). I have a $500 deductible on health visits and $500 deductible on named prescriptions.

In any case, I'm *still* paying off the "routine" colonoscopy I got last year. I had to get a blood test first due to the anesthesia that they were giving me.

So, AFTER insurance (these are all approximations):

Gastro Doctor (1 visit + procedure): $300

Regular Doctor (Exam + Blood Test + EKG heart check): $800 (expensive because he got my deductible $$)

Hospital for colonoscopy: $250

Biopsy: $50

Other lab work: $50

I can't remember if there was a separate bill for the anesthesiologist.

So it was around a $1450+ bill, out of pocket, AFTER INSURANCE for a "routine" test (and from what I've been told, that's on the "incredibly good" plan that I have!).

Scrooge McSam · 06-26-2007, 04:27 PM

As we discuss this, can we keep in mind that involving the government in improving our health care system does not automatically mean we have to give it to them to run?

That is all.

Tref · 07-10-2007, 02:17 AM

Holy crap! Michael Moore Rips Wolf Blitzer on CNN: "Why Don't You Tell the American People the Truth"

To see complete clip, click here

To see only moore's reaction to the film that preceded
interview, click here

06-25-2007, 01:24 PM	#1
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blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	While affordability is certainly a problem for many, I have concerns over a government-run healthcare system, especially in light of the direction that the political pendulum is swinging. I certainly wouldn't want the right, particularly the religious right, controlling my health decisions, on top of the other potential costs that are absorbed by us as a whole. I'm uneasy about so much these days. I'd feel better (though still probably not 100%, because that's just who I am) about a socialistic turn in healthcare if we had a more open-minded government, in terms of scientific research. Unfortunately, this is not the case at the moment, so I remain uneasy about any significant change in health care. As it stands, voters on the religious right are too busy arguing about whether Mitt Romney, a Mormon, is of Satan... because... you know... Mormons don't believe in Christ or anything - how can I rely on them to know what's right for me or my body, if so many of their proponents don't know the difference between their various cults. (For those not in the know... Mormons really aren't all that different from regular old Christians) Thus, at this time, I don't want the government involved with my healthcare decisions until I can feel more secure in what choices I have available. __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me Last edited by blueerica : 06-25-2007 at 10:52 PM.
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Mrs. Nesbitt Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near DL Posts: 53	I agree our healthcare system is not perfect and changes need to be made. There are always exceptions to the rule and while living a healthy lifestyle does not mean you won't contract a disease, it is always better to try and prevent it. As with all of Moore's movies, while classified as a documentary, he does find examples to fit his theme for the movie. It is not an objective piece. None of his movies have been. It if helps move this country along in changing its health policies that is great, but I think using the rest of the world is an an example and saying they have it right when they have many issues also is just onesided. No one has the perfect system and I do not believe socialized medicine, with the history our government has in running programs, would solve the problems. As for costs, a general visit once a year to a doctor for a physical probably would be about $150.00. $3.00 a week. One less latte, lower your cell phone bill, cut back on the Internet, there are always ways to save money. Often we take for granted things that are luxuries and call them necessities and then say we cannot afford the basics. __________________ "One minute you're defending the whole galaxy, and, suddenly, you find yourself sucking down Darjeeling with Marie Antoinette... and her little sister" Last edited by Mrs. Nesbitt : 06-25-2007 at 10:52 PM.
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06-25-2007, 10:50 PM	#7
blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	Mrs. Nesbitt - Thank you. I agree wholeheartedly. Addendum: Yes, I will watch the movie, and evaluate my opinions, while keeping certain propagandistic tendencies in mind. __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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06-26-2007, 03:19 PM	#8
Chernabog Biophage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Moon Posts: 2,679	It is rather nasty though when routine procedures cost obscene amounts. I have a Blue Cross PPO (cost: $3000/yr). I have a $500 deductible on health visits and $500 deductible on named prescriptions. In any case, I'm still paying off the "routine" colonoscopy I got last year. I had to get a blood test first due to the anesthesia that they were giving me. So, AFTER insurance (these are all approximations): Gastro Doctor (1 visit + procedure): $300 Regular Doctor (Exam + Blood Test + EKG heart check): $800 (expensive because he got my deductible $$) Hospital for colonoscopy: $250 Biopsy: $50 Other lab work: $50 I can't remember if there was a separate bill for the anesthesiologist. So it was around a $1450+ bill, out of pocket, AFTER INSURANCE for a "routine" test (and from what I've been told, that's on the "incredibly good" plan that I have!). __________________ And they say back then our universe Was a coal black egg Until the god inside Burst out and from its shattered shell He made what became the world we know ~ Bjork (Cosmogony)
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06-26-2007, 04:27 PM	#9
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	As we discuss this, can we keep in mind that involving the government in improving our health care system does not automatically mean we have to give it to them to run? That is all.
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Tref Not Tref Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,188	Moore 1 Blitzer 0 Holy crap! Michael Moore Rips Wolf Blitzer on CNN: "Why Don't You Tell the American People the Truth" To see complete clip, click here To see only moore's reaction to the film that preceded interview, click here __________________ Tref3.0 Listen in aural 3-D to Pop's muzak! (New songs added semi-bi-daily) j & j Did you know that Emas eht yltcaxe is exactly the same spelled backwards?!
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