Michael Moore's "Sicko" - Page 8

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

One of the best comments posted yet in this thread.

But with all due respect to JW Bear, whose comments in this thread I wholeheartedly agree with, we're not even accomplishing the sandmovement. We're not accomplishing anything, and that's not the point of talking about this.

If, by the sand comment, he meant no one is changing anyone else's mind, that's usually the case ... but not a cause to stop shooting the sh!t with one another.

Chernabog · 07-10-2007, 03:18 PM

I could become a Mexican citizen, then cross the border back into the US, and then I'd get free healthcare. That's FREE FREE as in, no taxes or anything.

JWBear · 07-10-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chernabog

I could become a Mexican citizen, then cross the border back into the US, and then I'd get free healthcare. That's FREE FREE as in, no taxes or anything.

Not true. If you are here without documentation you are ineligible to Medicare, and the only thing Medi-Cal (Medicaid in other states) will pay for is emergency room services or pregnancy related services.

Under Medi-Cal regulations, if you have income, you may have to pay a portion of your medical expenses yourself. It's called "Share of Cost" and it works like a deductible.

And don't forget... undocumented aliens do pay sales tax on things they buy here. And if they are working "above the table" they are paying income tax as well.

scaeagles · 07-10-2007, 06:00 PM

There is a vast difference in decisions made by and for individuals which by and large can meet the needs of those whom they are making decisions for, and a mass of individuals making decisions for those that they do not understand nor are capable of meeting the needs of.

So, the intelligence of individuals gathered together does not necessarily equal something intelligent. This is not uncommon thought.

I opt out of the public school system, and I get a dollar for dollar tax credit for contributing to charitible organizations that assist in private school tuition. Why is this offered? Because the public school system (while certainly not underfunded) is over burdened and there needs to be a way to alleviate it. Social security is a forced contribution that I will likely never see a penny of and I know I could do better investing my money elsewhere, but that's not permitted (and even fought against). There is such gross mismanagement of medicare and foodstamps and you name it by government that I have no desire to see them involved whatsoever in health care decisions I make for me or my family. Need an abortion? There's a 10 month waiting period. Something tells me that's not going to fly.

Tref · 07-10-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

So, the intelligence of individuals gathered together does not necessarily equal something intelligent. This is not uncommon thought.

Well, you may have a point there, I suppose it was these so-called "stupid masses" who elected Bush into office.

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Need an abortion? There's a 10 month waiting period. Something tells me that's not going to fly.

No, I don't thank you. But, to paraphrase Huckleberry Finn, that is one whopper of a "stretcher."

€uroMeinke · 07-10-2007, 06:26 PM

I volunteer to move to Paris as part of a grand social experiment on health care (and to found the LoT Paris Commune)

scaeagles · 07-10-2007, 07:03 PM

And the collective intelligence of the masses depends on the perspective of the individual.

Gemini Cricket · 07-10-2007, 07:12 PM

All I can say is that I'm glad I don't live in Myanmar.

scaeagles · 07-10-2007, 08:47 PM

And this is where you, Alex, vary from a lot of people.

Too often the rhetoric is that if you don't agree with someone then you are by default stupid, evil, immoral, ignorant, fascists, communists, etc.

There is some point at which passion about a subject becomes a desire for totalitarianism.

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2007, 08:59 PM

Oh, I think Alex's variety is a staple of the people who post on the LoT.

I don't know why it came up sour in the Transformers thread, but one of the things I particularly like about this place is the tacit understanding that those with differences of opinion are not rendering wholesale judgments on the persons who differ with them.

At least, that's the assumption I'm going on.

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Chernabog Biophage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Moon Posts: 2,679	I could become a Mexican citizen, then cross the border back into the US, and then I'd get free healthcare. That's FREE FREE as in, no taxes or anything. __________________ And they say back then our universe Was a coal black egg Until the god inside Burst out and from its shattered shell He made what became the world we know ~ Bjork (Cosmogony)
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	There is a vast difference in decisions made by and for individuals which by and large can meet the needs of those whom they are making decisions for, and a mass of individuals making decisions for those that they do not understand nor are capable of meeting the needs of. So, the intelligence of individuals gathered together does not necessarily equal something intelligent. This is not uncommon thought. I opt out of the public school system, and I get a dollar for dollar tax credit for contributing to charitible organizations that assist in private school tuition. Why is this offered? Because the public school system (while certainly not underfunded) is over burdened and there needs to be a way to alleviate it. Social security is a forced contribution that I will likely never see a penny of and I know I could do better investing my money elsewhere, but that's not permitted (and even fought against). There is such gross mismanagement of medicare and foodstamps and you name it by government that I have no desire to see them involved whatsoever in health care decisions I make for me or my family. Need an abortion? There's a 10 month waiting period. Something tells me that's not going to fly.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I volunteer to move to Paris as part of a grand social experiment on health care (and to found the LoT Paris Commune) __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	And the collective intelligence of the masses depends on the perspective of the individual.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	All I can say is that I'm glad I don't live in Myanmar.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	And this is where you, Alex, vary from a lot of people. Too often the rhetoric is that if you don't agree with someone then you are by default stupid, evil, immoral, ignorant, fascists, communists, etc. There is some point at which passion about a subject becomes a desire for totalitarianism.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Oh, I think Alex's variety is a staple of the people who post on the LoT. I don't know why it came up sour in the Transformers thread, but one of the things I particularly like about this place is the tacit understanding that those with differences of opinion are not rendering wholesale judgments on the persons who differ with them. At least, that's the assumption I'm going on.
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