Michael Moore's "Sicko" - Page 4

Mrs. Nesbitt · 06-24-2007, 08:56 PM

In most of the countries that offer socialized medicine many citizens have now gone to private insurance to supplement the coverage the government offers so they can get those needed procedures quicker and in some cases in other countries.

If we are to go to socialized health care are you prepared to pay the costs?
Your income tax rate would be about 50% even at the lower tax brackets, your property tax would double, you would pay 18% for every good or service you purchase and how about $5.00, $6.00 or $7.00 per gallon for gasoline with 70% of that being tax? Are you willing to pay these costs and let a government run another program? We have seen how they have done during natural disasters, with our road system, avaition system and many other functions.

And what part do we ourselves play in the cost of healthcare? Americans are fatter now than ever before, we put in more hours at work than any other industrialized nation, we stress about our employment, family life, government issues, etc. Look at the proliferation of quick serve meals and fast food restuarants.

We will wash our car weekly, change the oil regularly and perform maintenance on it as it is our very means (especially in SoCal) of going about our daily routine. Yet when it comes to our health, we wait until something dramatic happens, before we seek help. When was the last time you had a regular check up?

Alex · 06-24-2007, 09:04 PM

I didn't even go to a doctor when I literally cooked my eyeballs and the last time I did go to a doctor (2003) it was because I was in so much pain I literally couldn't walk upright (kidney stone).

If all goes well the next time I see a doctor it will be so he can tell me I have only a few seconds to live so he has to talk fast.

Alex · 06-25-2007, 09:49 AM

Just got this press release which I thought some here might find of interest.

NEW YORK, NEW YORK (June 24, 2007) - The trailer for “SiCKO,” Michael Moore’s expose of the American health care system, will be projected with full sound and subtitles on the outside of buildings near the headquarters of leading HMOs, insurance companies and hospitals in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and Oakland on Monday, June 25th beginning at sundown through 1:00am.

This innovative campaign will enable millions of Americans including employees at leading HMOs, insurance companies and hospitals to see a sneak peak of Michael Moore’s acclaimed documentary that explores and examines their industry’s role in our nation’s troubled health care system.

SiCKO is written, directed and produced by Michael Moore. The film is produced by Meghan O'Hara and co-produced by Anne Moore. Kathleen Glynn, Bob Weinstein and Harvey Weinstein serve as executive producers.

SiCKO opened exclusively at the AMC- Loews Lincoln Square Theater, Friday, June 22nd and is opening nationwide on Friday, June 29th.

The trailer will be simultaneously projected at the following locations from sundown to 1am.

Bay Area Locations:

SAN FRANCISCO
Projection Site: Intersection of Broadway & Montgomery St.
Locations of interest nearby:
E-surance
Kaiser Permanente
Sutter Health
Saint Francis Memorial Hospital
Chinese Hospital
Ocadian Hospitals & Care Centers

OAKLAND
Projection Site: 1950 Franklin St.
Locations of interest nearby:
Kaiser Permanente
Kaiser Permanente
Kaiser Center
Kaiser Foundation Hospital

Additional Locations:

LOS ANGELES
Projection Site: 4343 W. Sunset Blvd.
Locations of interest nearby:
Kaiser Permanente Medical Center
Hollywood Community Hospital
Health Net
Guardian Rehabilitation Hospital
Childrens Hospital Los Angeles
Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center

NEW YORK
Projection Site: Times Square, 625 8th Ave. & 40th St.
Locations of interest nearby:
Benefits Quest, Inc.
Empire BlueCross BlueShield
Group Health Inc.
The Guardian
Metropolitan Life Insurance Co.
Health Insurance Plan of Greater New York Mutual Life Insurance Co. of New York St. Clare’s Family Health Center St. Vincent’s Midtown Roosevelt Hospital Beth Israel Hospital NYU Medical Center NY Presbyterian Hospital National Jewish

CHICAGO
Projection Site: 525 N. Michigan Ave.
Locations of interest nearby:
Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Wells Fargo
Northwestern Memorial Hospital

Ponine · 06-25-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

No I have not yet seen Sicko. Unless there were previews this weekend I don't think anybody in this country has yet seen it legally though I know it is readily available on the internet now.

Just because I didnt see this addressed anywhere.. yes, there were sneak previews this past weekend.
Mind you I knew they were this past weekend the 23rd in San Diego. I dont know when they were in other cities.
I know the sneaks were in response to the fact that the film was on the web.
I just couldnt find anyone else who wanted to attend.

Kevy Baby · 06-25-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Nesbitt

If we are to go to socialized health care are you prepared to pay the costs?

The opinions provided are interesting. However, they are mostly worthless (beyond basic opinion) without some facts/links/etc. to back it up.

Don't get me wrong - I would love to see something that corroborates this info. Do you have anything? I agree with the basic premise but find much of this hard to swallow.

Alex · 06-25-2007, 01:21 PM

Thank you Ponine. At the time I posted I was unaware of the screenings (should have looked first, though) and thought the only way to see the movie was by downloading it from any of the many online sources (it was at YouTube in 10 minute chunks and Google Video for a while even).

So my apologies to mousepod for making that assumption.

mousepod · 06-25-2007, 01:24 PM

No need to apologize. I just figured you were being a jerk for fun.

Alex · 06-25-2007, 01:33 PM

Fair enough. Though I prefer the term prick.

Gn2Dlnd · 06-25-2007, 01:49 PM

Sometimes I can be a jerk for prick.

I mean, if that's what it takes.

Ponine · 06-25-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Thank you Ponine. At the time I posted I was unaware of the screenings (should have looked first, though) and thought the only way to see the movie was by downloading it from any of the many online sources (it was at YouTube in 10 minute chunks and Google Video for a while even).

So my apologies to mousepod for making that assumption.

Well, to be truthfull Alex, the only reason I myself knew?
My union sent out an email to everyone stating there were sneak previews and how to get tickets.
Seems the union feels he is in the right.

(I personally hate the in your face attitude of my union, and was totally offended that they sent me an email after I asked to be removed from all union emails)

Though I didnt think you were being a prick about it, I just assumed you didnt know. Had they not told me, I'd ahve had no idea when the sneaks were.
I had read on CNN or in EW that they were going to happen, but I dont think I knew more than that.

06-24-2007, 08:56 PM	#31
Mrs. Nesbitt Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near DL Posts: 53	In most of the countries that offer socialized medicine many citizens have now gone to private insurance to supplement the coverage the government offers so they can get those needed procedures quicker and in some cases in other countries. If we are to go to socialized health care are you prepared to pay the costs? Your income tax rate would be about 50% even at the lower tax brackets, your property tax would double, you would pay 18% for every good or service you purchase and how about $5.00, $6.00 or $7.00 per gallon for gasoline with 70% of that being tax? Are you willing to pay these costs and let a government run another program? We have seen how they have done during natural disasters, with our road system, avaition system and many other functions. And what part do we ourselves play in the cost of healthcare? Americans are fatter now than ever before, we put in more hours at work than any other industrialized nation, we stress about our employment, family life, government issues, etc. Look at the proliferation of quick serve meals and fast food restuarants. We will wash our car weekly, change the oil regularly and perform maintenance on it as it is our very means (especially in SoCal) of going about our daily routine. Yet when it comes to our health, we wait until something dramatic happens, before we seek help. When was the last time you had a regular check up? __________________ "One minute you're defending the whole galaxy, and, suddenly, you find yourself sucking down Darjeeling with Marie Antoinette... and her little sister"
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06-24-2007, 09:04 PM	#32
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I didn't even go to a doctor when I literally cooked my eyeballs and the last time I did go to a doctor (2003) it was because I was in so much pain I literally couldn't walk upright (kidney stone). If all goes well the next time I see a doctor it will be so he can tell me I have only a few seconds to live so he has to talk fast.
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06-25-2007, 09:49 AM	#33
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Just got this press release which I thought some here might find of interest. NEW YORK, NEW YORK (June 24, 2007) - The trailer for “SiCKO,” Michael Moore’s expose of the American health care system, will be projected with full sound and subtitles on the outside of buildings near the headquarters of leading HMOs, insurance companies and hospitals in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and Oakland on Monday, June 25th beginning at sundown through 1:00am. This innovative campaign will enable millions of Americans including employees at leading HMOs, insurance companies and hospitals to see a sneak peak of Michael Moore’s acclaimed documentary that explores and examines their industry’s role in our nation’s troubled health care system. SiCKO is written, directed and produced by Michael Moore. The film is produced by Meghan O'Hara and co-produced by Anne Moore. Kathleen Glynn, Bob Weinstein and Harvey Weinstein serve as executive producers. SiCKO opened exclusively at the AMC- Loews Lincoln Square Theater, Friday, June 22nd and is opening nationwide on Friday, June 29th. The trailer will be simultaneously projected at the following locations from sundown to 1am. Bay Area Locations: SAN FRANCISCO Projection Site: Intersection of Broadway & Montgomery St. Locations of interest nearby: E-surance Kaiser Permanente Sutter Health Saint Francis Memorial Hospital Chinese Hospital Ocadian Hospitals & Care Centers OAKLAND Projection Site: 1950 Franklin St. Locations of interest nearby: Kaiser Permanente Kaiser Permanente Kaiser Center Kaiser Foundation Hospital Additional Locations: LOS ANGELES Projection Site: 4343 W. Sunset Blvd. Locations of interest nearby: Kaiser Permanente Medical Center Hollywood Community Hospital Health Net Guardian Rehabilitation Hospital Childrens Hospital Los Angeles Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center NEW YORK Projection Site: Times Square, 625 8th Ave. & 40th St. Locations of interest nearby: Benefits Quest, Inc. Empire BlueCross BlueShield Group Health Inc. The Guardian Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. Health Insurance Plan of Greater New York Mutual Life Insurance Co. of New York St. Clare’s Family Health Center St. Vincent’s Midtown Roosevelt Hospital Beth Israel Hospital NYU Medical Center NY Presbyterian Hospital National Jewish CHICAGO Projection Site: 525 N. Michigan Ave. Locations of interest nearby: Blue Cross/Blue Shield Wells Fargo Northwestern Memorial Hospital
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06-25-2007, 01:21 PM	#36
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Thank you Ponine. At the time I posted I was unaware of the screenings (should have looked first, though) and thought the only way to see the movie was by downloading it from any of the many online sources (it was at YouTube in 10 minute chunks and Google Video for a while even). So my apologies to mousepod for making that assumption.
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06-25-2007, 01:24 PM	#37
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	No need to apologize. I just figured you were being a jerk for fun. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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06-25-2007, 01:33 PM	#38
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Fair enough. Though I prefer the term prick.
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06-25-2007, 01:49 PM	#39
Gn2Dlnd Parmmadore Jim Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Casita del Queso Posts: 3,810	Sometimes I can be a jerk for prick. I mean, if that's what it takes. __________________ Does anyone still wear a hat?
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