Romney's Dog Not Looking Forward to Next Family Vacation

[blueerica]

Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

I didn't realize this was in the past. Still not right, but hopefully he's learned better.

I'm not sure how I feel about him being a Mormon and potentially president. I guess as long as he doesn't let Jesus make political policy, then I don't care what religion he follows as long as it's sort of sane. A pro-choice stance certainly garners some support. Especially in the face of religious pressure to believe otherwise.

I'm with you, BE, in that I hate the political system.

That's the thing, all the evangelicals are worried that he doesn't believe in Jesus and won't guide our country in the right way. Which only confirms how uneducated so many people are.

And sadly (to me), he's no longer pro-choice - pressured by the religious right. And I don't know whether it means he'd pick judges that would be fair when it came to Roe v. Wade or if it just means he's wishy-washy and goes against his own beliefs for a vote, which I believe most/all politicians do. You know... "for the greater good."

In terms of the date, I may have misread, simply because I forgot National Lampoon's Vacation being a 1983 release. This very well could have happened recently. No matter the date, it's a reprehensible action, no matter when, though it would have been incredibly foolhardy this close to the primaries. In which case, I'd have to question his intelligence, and lack of intelligent people around him. (While I question Bush's intelligence, he does have some smart people around him guiding him - even if I don't agree with them.)

[Alex]

How lazy, it would probably take all of 30 minutes to find out what the laws were in 1983 instead of talking about whether he broke the law then based on today's laws.

But, assuming some protection from wind I don't see how this is any different from putting the dog in the bed of a truck, and in 1983 most people wouldn't have tied up a dog in the bed of a truck.

I also don't take the fact that the dog pooped to be a sign of torture and losing control of its bowels. However, if the dog was up there for 12 straight hours and that is why it pooped in the box then that's not good.

But if the worst thing Romney's done in his life is this, then he's a pretty good person.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Alex

But if the worst thing Romney's done in his life is this, then he's a pretty good person.

I take something like this to be representative of his character. I highly doubt it's the worst thing he's done. If a guy will tie a dog to a car, what else might he do?

I think next year when I vote in my first presidential election, I will choose a candidate to vote for based on random qualities and news fluff.

[cirquelover]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

If a guy will tie a dog to a car, what else might he do?

I wouldn't quite call this tying a dog to a car, he was in a pet carrier. Once in my life I saw a dog tied to a car and they just took off down the rode, it was horrific!

Way back then though they did many things we wouldn't consider safe now. Children didn't have to be seat belted in and dogs and kids could ride in the back. They'd even let you ride in a trailer being towed down the road.

I'm not saying he's a great guy because I have no clue but I don't think I will fault him for something he did 24 years ago that was the norm back then. If he did it today though, that would be different.

[sleepyjeff]

My parents neighbor trains show dogs and he uses a special cartop carrier to transport his fury friends all the time. No one who knows him would ever accuse him a being cruel to his pets....he loves them more than people.

I couldn't find the one he uses online but I did find a similar product:

http://www.discountramps.com/dog-carrier-motorcycle.htm

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

I take something like this to be representative of his character. I highly doubt it's the worst thing he's done. If a guy will tie a dog to a car, what else might he do?

Like Cirquelover said, you can't hardly fault someone for such a relatively minor incident that was committed 24 years ago. As my sister used to like to relate with glee (until I got in her face about it), I used to clip clothes pins (the wooden ones with the spring in them) onto our cat's tail when I was young (maybe 10 or so). Yes, what I did was cruel. But I would hope that no one would judge my character by that event committed so long ago.

[Capt Jack]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

I think anyone that would strap a dog to the roof of a car is an asshole. I don't think you outgrow that sort of asshole either. I know nothing else about him, but I'm certain he's an asshole.

I think that sums it up quite nicely

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Like Cirquelover said, you can't hardly fault someone for such a relatively minor incident that was committed 24 years ago. As my sister used to like to relate with glee (until I got in her face about it), I used to clip clothes pins (the wooden ones with the spring in them) onto our cat's tail when I was young (maybe 10 or so). Yes, what I did was cruel. But I would hope that no one would judge my character by that event committed so long ago.

Yeah, but you were a child. He was the father on a family vacation. Kids often lack empathy, it's simply a characteristic that develops with age. Adults really should have some.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

Yeah, but you were a child. He was the father on a family vacation. Kids often lack empathy, it's simply a characteristic that develops with age. Adults really should have some.

I knew that the age differential would come into it. I almost addressed it up front.

Yes, the choice of a 10-year-old cannot be compared to the choice of a 36-year-old (remember, this incident took place in 1983). Yes, as a 36YO, he would presumably have more wisdom. But at worst I call this a lapse in judgment. 24 years ago! It is not as if he dragged the dog (a la "Vacation" as the linked story compares this incident to). I wouldn't even call the action "cruel" - just bad judgment.

To call him an asshole because of one incident (that has nothing to do with his ability to be President) 24 years ago is a stretch. The act may have been idiotic, but it does not make him an asshole. Further, was it Mitt's decision to put the dog on the roof - could it have been say a touchy MIL (pure illustrative speculation on my part) refusing to ride in the car with the dog?

Let me ask this: does this act of 24 years ago have an impact on
his ability to be president in 2009?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

To call him an asshole because of one incident (that has nothing to do with his ability to be President) 24 years ago is a stretch.

Is there an expiration date on cruelty? I'm dumbfounded as to how the date matters. Either you empathize with other living creatures or you don't. This guy owned the dog - obviously lived with it - and still, could not think "I wouldn't want to be tied to the roof of the car for such a long trip". Like Traci said, kids have problems empathizing - a person over 16 should have no problem at all.

He will continue to be guilty of cruelty to an animal to the day he dies.