Super Tuesday

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It's a little early for mudslinging; that comes later in campaigns. I agree though, that it has been nice to have more positive ads.

I voted and dropped off hubby's absentee ballot.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

For Mitt Romney (I have the same wishy-washiness as MBC) and no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

I voted for McCain

[Motorboat Cruiser]

At 3am, I'm feeling that I made the right choice.

1) I really can't imagine what is left to throw at Hillary that hasn't already been flung. I can't help but feel that the Right has long since used up its most potent ammunition and it hasn't stopped her yet.

2) Part of my decision is based on who can be a more effective leader. Sure, the hatred of Hillary will be a hindrance but I have no way of knowing whether Obama can handle the divisiveness any better, he hasn't been put to the test yet.

3) I love his idealism but there is a certain amount of reality needed as well.

4) Will Hillary really have a tougher time beating McCain than Obama? The right is no fan of McCain. Hell, even Limbaugh and Hannity can't stand the guy. Plus, he is as old as the hills and, IMHO, will get clobbered in a debate between either of them. His position on the war is against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the population. In fact, military personnel have given more contributions to Obama and Paul than any other candidate. Then again, I don't think McCain is as hawkish as he appears - he has been in war, he knows the horrors and I don't think he will be eager to start more wars. He is trying to win the conservative vote, he has no choice but to be pro-war right now, and I suspect that some conservatives at least realize that. All in all, I really don't think he has a chance against either Clinton or Obama. And stick a fork in Romney (Thanks, Huckabee).

4) And for my conservative friends, Ann Coulter supports Hillary over McCain. If she can do it, so can you.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

And for my conservative friends, Ann Coulter supports Hillary over McCain. If she can do it, so can you.

You may not be so far off for me. And if Ann hears about it and wants to show me some "appreciation", all the better.

I honestly cannot see myself voting for McCain. With his win in CA, which Romney really had to have to stay viable IMO, it looks truly inevitable that he will be the Republican nominee. For the first time ever (with the exception of two candidates in local AZ elections), I may be voting democrat. Or I may just choose not to vote. Or I may hope for a third party candidate I can support. I've always been one to see a third party vote as a throw away vote, but for the first time I can truly understand those that have taken a stand prior to this with such a candidate.

The only thing that could possibly make me vote for McCain would be that I think he "gets" the war on terror. That said, though, I think the man is unstable and has a temper that could really get us into trouble. You think we're in trouble with Iraq, wait until some foreign leader pisses off McCain. Like I posted earlier, McCain scares me in a DeNiro-as-Capone-with-a-baseball-bat kind of way, and I can think of no better way to describe it. I have always thought the Clintons were the most ruthless people politically, but if Mccain is President he will surpass them by light years, and crossing him will be the kiss of death - politically certainly, and maybe even literally.

However, we needed a Ford and a Carter to get a Reagan, and maybe this is what it will take to get another.

I've never been so completely unmotivated or discouraged politically. Please hold off on your cheering until I can at least dry my eyes.

Edited to add: There is one other factor that could cause me to vote for McCain. The Supreme court is getting older and older, with 4 or 5 justices over 70. I have no doubt his nominees wouldn't be stellar (my definition of stellar, of course), but they would be far, far better than the choices of Obama or Clinton.

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

Maybe I'm naive, but I'm already impressed that:

-The two major dems have not run mud-slinging ads
-The two major dems are both minorities (so to speak)
-One of them, ideals notwithstanding, has not taken money from lobbyists
-Both of them have made it past Super Tuesday with votes and dignity intact

If the early campaigning can change this much for the better, then I'm just going to keep believing that other things can change for the better, too.

Well said! Visible LSPE mojo! I'm totally in your glass half full camp here.

[scaeagles]

I would agree when it comes to Obama, but not Hillary. The Clinton machine has surrogates do it for them.

Also, what exactly is mud slinging? One thing that bugs me about McCain is that when you question his votes on bills he accuses the person asking said question of attacking and mud slinging.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

McCain scares me in a DeNiro-as-Capone-with-a-baseball-bat kind of way

And Dubya didn't scare you at all? The way he always berates everyone at news conferences...yeech. It's like he's going to throw a punch if you disagree, or, even better, sick his goons on you afterwards.

MBC - that's a lot of soul searching. At least you think about your vote, and care about the consequences. I may not agree but I respect that. Same goes for scaeagles.

Obama's camp had said that their goal was to get within one hundred delegates and they did....so forward we go.

[Ghoulish Delight]

You know, I worry that the reason Hillary is getting the edge right now is not so much "experience" as that people, consciously or not, are concerned that Obama won't rightly spend his administration "sticking it to Bush." It's just a gut feeling of mine, but it just may be that those people on the fence who might have considered voting Obama hesitate because he just won't be reactionary enough, that after putting up with Bush for 8 years, they want someone in there that "the other side" will equally have to "put up with."

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

MBC - that's a lot of soul searching. At least you think about your vote, and care about the consequences. I may not agree but I respect that. Same goes for scaeagles.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

You know, I worry that the reason Hillary is getting the edge right now is not so much "experience" as that people, consciously or not, are concerned that Obama won't rightly spend his administration "sticking it to Bush." It's just a gut feeling of mine, but it just may be that those people on the fence who might have considered voting Obama hesitate because he just won't be reactionary enough, that after putting up with Bush for 8 years, they want someone in there that "the other side" will equally have to "put up with."

Well, I can only speak for myself but, a revenge candidate is the furthest thing from my mind and certainly NOT what I want in a candidate. And I don't think that is what the average Democrat wants, at least I truly hope not. I want an effective leader that can get things done, and not waste a moment their time trying to stick it to anyone. There are too many incredibly important issues that need to full attention of the next administration and by that, I don't necessarily mean health care, although I would like to see progress made in that area.

But more important to me is someone who can regain some international respect, which I think Hillary or Obama can, and try to find solutions to the messes abroad and at home. We are coming upon a recession and our military is breaking. Those are two of my biggest concerns, and if health care has to take a backburner to those issues, I will accept that for the time being. And honestly, I think either candidate is going to show up at the Oval Office with so much on their plate that neither are going to be able to give social programs the attention they are professing right now. I just don't see it happening. There is so much to fix right now and prioritization is going to be the key. At least, that's how I see it. And if any democrat were to allow themself to get sidelined with some petty tit-for-tat bullshyt, they are going to raise my ire considerably.

[mousepod]

I'm thinking along similar lines as MBC. I voted for Clinton yesterday because I honestly feel that she has the ability to jump in and get things done. When I listen to Obama's speeches, I feel like Mulder in the X-Files -- I WANT TO BELIEVE. I just haven't been convinced. However, if it comes down to it, I think that Hillary and Barack basically stand for the same things, and I support those ideals. So if Barack is the nominee, he's my guy.