Yes, we can.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

CP, are you suggesting that you don't want all aspects of Obama discussed here? If so, I'll step out, because i am not an Obama enthusiast.

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Sorry if I took away from your thread - it was not my intention. I tried to focus on responding to some things being said here and once it stopped; I stopped.

Sorry for the hijack.

Eh, no worries. I knew when I started it that my "hey who digs Obama" thread would shortly become "let's post our disparate political views in a show of supposed debate but no one persuades anyone else" which I still dislike. Even as I am enthused about this race, I continue to stay out of political threads (oh wait, there's just one, and now this one, of course) so excuse me if I don't do much "debating".

Originally Posted by mousepod

But if he's the candidate, here's the kind of thing that will make me worried...

clip from Chris Matthews' Hardball.

News flash - one idiot didn't do his homework for a freakin' interview.

I looked at the usual sources -Thomas etal - but I found this very cool site that compiles all sorts of data.

Clinton:

Statistics: Hillary Clinton has sponsored 354 bills since Jan 22, 2001, of which 307 haven't made it out of committee (Extremely Poor) and 2 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Clinton has co-sponsored 1723 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

Obama:

Statistics: Barack Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan 4, 2005, of which 120 haven't made it out of committee (Poor) and 1 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Obama has co-sponsored 545 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

The reason they did so "poorly" was due to being in the minority party. All of the site's wording aside - You mean to tell me that during all those years of experience, she didn't do much more than he did?

Originally Posted by NirvanaMan

I only want a President that will do two things:

• Let me keep my own money
• Let me keep my guns (or right to own them)

<snip>

But, I have to vote cause well, I can't complain if I don't.

You're where I was after the Contract with America fell apart. All you can do is vote Libertarian, because they're the only ones that agree with you. Everyone else wants your money for one reason or another. Have fun, I know I did.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Clinton:Obama:The reason they did so "poorly" was due to being in the minority party. All of the site's wording aside - You mean to tell me that during all those years of experience, she didn't do much more than he did?

By "all those years of experience" you mean the 4 years Clinton was a Senat orbefore Obama became one?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

By "all those years of experience" you mean the 4 years Clinton was a Senat orbefore Obama became one?

Yes, I do. I'll say it again - You mean to tell me, with all those years of experience, she didn't do much more than he did?