Yes, we can.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

I'm here. I am a LoT Obama voter because I like what he has to say and I am hopeful it is implemented. I am not an ABC or an Anti-Rep voter. I am an Obama voter.

What is implemented? Hope? Change? Promising everyone anything and everything under the sun?

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

What is implemented? Hope? Change? Promising everyone anything and everything under the sun?

Getting out of Iraq for starters

Fixing our education system. Let's teach education to learn, not teach to a test that basically leaves kids without knowledge to succeed in life so schools can keep their funding.

Keeping Net Neutrality

Fixing our immigration system without screwing over our economy

These are the things I think can be done. These are the changes I hope are made. These are the things I believe, if they can be changed, it will be by him.

Then there is the whole gay marriage, stem cell research and abortion stance that is very important to me as well.

About.com


Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

On stem cell research and abortion (quote is stem cell research, more info on his abortion stance at that same link:

OnTheIssues.Org

Barack Obama believes we owe it to the American public to explore the potential of stem cells to treat the millions of people suffering from debilitating and life threatening diseases. Stem cells hold the promise of treatments and cures for more than 70 major diseases and conditions such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, spinal cord injuries, and diabetes. As many as 100 million Americans may benefit from embryonic stem cell research. As president, Obama would:

* Promote Embryonic Stem Cell Research
* Support Medical Advancement and Innovation
* Expand the Number of Stem Cell Lines Available for Research
* Ensure Ethical Standards

Obama introduced legislation in the Illinois Senate to ensure that only those embryos that would otherwise be discarded could be used and that donors would have to provide written consent for the use of the embryos.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer;193893[URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/"

Fixing our immigration system[/url] without screwing over our economy

Because he'll leave screwing the economy to the other portions of his "plan".

I love how he claims to be able to provide "affordable" this or "affordable" that. How?

Much of these things are nothing new. Sorry, but they aren't. The only difference is he gives good speeches.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Because he'll leave screwing the economy to the other portions of his "plan".

If we tighten our boarders, the migrant farm workers, the people who do the grunt work most American's won't do for the pay will disappear. Like it or not, the pisspoor wages that undocumented workers are paid to work in fields keep the cost of our produce low. I believe that he will find a way to tighten our boarders without the ripple effect of higher wages paying to documented workers.

I love how he claims to be able to provide "affordable" this or "affordable" that. How?

Ending the war will free up a few billion dollars.

Much of these things are nothing new. Sorry, but they aren't. The only difference is he gives good speeches.

They may be the same ideas and he may give good speeches, but I believe he is the only person running who I believe will do his damndest to try. He's the only one with a chance of nomination who hasn't been around the greenbelt a few dozen times and now has people with their hands out looking for their payback.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

What is implemented? Hope? Change? Promising everyone anything and everything under the sun?

I mostly like the idea of Iraq not becoming another Hundred Year's War. We all know how well that worked out for Europe.

It's Obama's idealism that I like. Sure, he may not get things done that he wants to do, but he's not the only ('Read my lips' ring a bell?) person to have ever made (gasp!) campaign promises that probably will never come to fruition. McCain, on the other hand, comes out as a tired, jaded old soldier- not that there's anything wrong with that, but hardly uplifting and inspirational.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

he's not the only ('Read my lips' ring a bell?) person to have ever made (gasp!) campaign promises that probably will never come to fruition.

If elected, I hope none of his campaign promises come to fruition.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

If elected, I hope none of his campaign promises come to fruition.

None?

You want to see us in Iraq, our children failing because of teaching to "the test", borders remain open and the internet become for fee free-for-all.

Wow. I fear for our future.

Oh wait. That's why I'm voting for change and for someone who can bring change about.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

None?

You want to see us in Iraq, our children failing because of teaching to "the test", borders remain open and the internet become for fee free-for-all.

Wow. I fear for our future.

Oh wait. That's why I'm voting for change and for someone who can bring change about.

Have you stopped beating your wife? In other words, I disagree with the premise of your argument. YOu seem to think that Obama is the only person - despite his IMMENSE lack of experience - that can accomplish goals and they must be done his way, and anyone who doesn't agree with how he wishes to do them must be against the ideas themselves.

I'd love for us to be out of Iraq, but think he will cause harm in how he does it. Of course I don't want dumb kids, but I don't think money will fix it (nor most of his suggestions). His idea of border control is vague at best and I don't trust him on it. And I'm not educated enough on his internet ideas, to be frank, to make a judgement.

Obama makes me fear for the future. Yes, indeed.

[SacTown Chronic]

Wait, now we want an experienced Washington insider as president? How come I didn't get the memo?