RIP Charlton Heston

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Fictional? I think you need to check your dictionary again. Moore has backed up a lot of what he said in his documentary.
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Ah yes, I know that page well. The one where he skirts around a great number of the more prominent accusations to rant a little more.

Nope, I stick with my original claim that far too much of that movie is distorted to be considered a documentary. I am not saying that the entire thing is completely false, but I have read enough and done my own research to know that I cannot and probably will never trust anything that Micheal Moore has to say.

Read the true facts here, here, here, and many other places across the internet. Unfortunately one of my favorite sights on the topic, http://www.hardylaw.net/ is currently down. Also, Larry Elder (no relation) had a great article on the subject, but I am unable to locate it at the moment.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I am not saying that the entire thing is completely false...

To continue with the pedantic... Uh calling a documentary "fictional" would mean what then?

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

To continue with the pedantic... Uh calling a documentary "fictional" would mean what then?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

To continue with the pedantic... Uh calling a documentary "fictional" would mean what then?

All good fiction has a degree of truth or plausibility.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And yes, Kevy, that's the phrase. Where did I say he said it in Denver? I said it was practically a dare to kill him ... and I stand by that.

Sorry; I was being a bit pro-active. Since we were discussing Charlton Heston, Columbine, MM and BFC, and since MM distorted his movie to directly insinuate that the remark was made at the NRA convention in Denver right after Columbine, which was the topic at hand, I made a (to me) logical assumption.

CH was passionate in his beliefs in terms of gun control. I do not necessarily agree with him on everything, but I do admire his steadfastness.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

CH was passionate in his beliefs in terms of gun control. I do not necessarily agree with him on everything, but I do admire his steadfastness.

This is kind of off the subject, but I don't actually admire steadfastness. And, before you say it, yes: even in liberals. I admire people who are willing to listen to other people and get an understanding of the world around them. I admire compassion. (I don't think Heston had a lot, and yes, that is something that is informed by that speech in Denver.)

I have to say that I agree with GC in that I believe a person recently or long-time passed deserves no more respect than someone living. But I try to give everyone their due respect regardless. Heston did some things of merit in his life - in my opinion, mostly creatively. I pay tribute to those things. But I don't have to pay tribute to the others.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

I don't actually admire steadfastness. And, before you say it, yes: even in liberals. I admire people who are willing to listen to other people and get an understanding of the world around them. I admire compassion.

You seem to be equating "steadfasness" with being wrong.

Benazir Bhutto, The Dali Lama, Gandhi, All steadfast people who I think fully understood/understand the world around them.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

You seem to be equating "steadfasness" with being wrong.

Benazir Bhutto, The Dali Lama, Gandhi, All steadfast people who I think fully understood/understand the world around them.

I think she's saying that in her mind, the depth and breadth of his specific wrongness dwarfs his general virtues such as steadfastness or a winning smile.

Some years back, when his relevance was greater, I contemplated writing a Saturday Night Live skit that would have Pat Buchanan hosting a talk show called "Say What You Will About Hitler." The guests would talk about something in current events and at some point, Pat would turn to the audience who would chant "Say What You Will About Hitler," and Pat would say, "Yes, say what you will about Hitler . . ." and then he'd remark about some general virtue of Hitler's, such as steadfastness, would solve the current problem at issue.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

I think she's saying that in her mind, the depth and breadth of his specific wrongness dwarfs his general virtues such as steadfastness or a winning smile.

When she said "This is kind of off the subject" I took that to imply a more general statement that just one applying to Mr. Heston.