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3894 · 04-24-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

But that's why I want this race to continue on as long as possible. And frankly, with momentum clearly on the side of Hillary, she shouldn't drop out.

Aw, you're all heart, sceagles. Some talking head summed up the Dem fight pretty well the other night: you have a woman who's "too" tough and a man who's "too" wussy. How the world has changed.

On the Republican side, McCain can't even get the N.C. Republicans to stop running an ad. I'm enjoying that.

scaeagles · 04-24-2008, 06:33 AM

I have no doubt that dems enjoy any problems on the republican side as much as republicans enjoy the distress on the dem side. And of course, you're assuming that McCain really wants the ad to stop running, which I doubt. It is standard operating procedure to have the party structure do the dirty work so that the candidate can appear above the fray, and I have little doubt that's what's happening there.

3894 · 04-24-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

And of course, you're assuming that McCain really wants the ad to stop running, which I doubt.

If so, he made the wrong calculation. It's easy to spin it. How weak McCain is when his even own party at the lowest levels won't listen! Commander-in-chief of nothing!

Now let's talk about McCain's continued confusion between Suni and Shia. Is it calculated or genuine? Either way, he's not presidential material.

scaeagles · 04-24-2008, 07:25 AM

I could easily argue the same thing about Hillary and Obama. Regardless of his constant calls of "hope" and "change", the man has virtually no experience in any area that the President would be responsible for. And Hillary....while I'm currently cheering for her, there is nothing Presidential about her.

So it's all perspective. I'm no McCain fan and you aren't going to hear me say that he is Presidential material, but he is more so than either of the other two.

3894 · 04-24-2008, 07:39 AM

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So it's all perspective. I'm no McCain fan and you aren't going to hear me say that he is Presidential material, but he is more so than either of the other two.

McCain is too old.

scaeagles · 04-24-2008, 07:46 AM

To quote my hero, Ronald Reagan, from his debate with Walter Mondale when asked about age, when he promised not to "exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Alex · 04-24-2008, 08:57 AM

And look how well that worked out for him in the final couple years of his presidency.

It isn't fair to him, but he is too old. And that is why Hillary Clinton won't drop out until absolutely forced to, because by the time she can be sure she'll have another chance to run, she also will be too old (not as old as McCain but if she has to wait 8 more years to be president she'd be 69 when taking office).

Yes, McCain may very well be hail and hearty into his 90s but is it a simple fact of life that it is reasonable to expect significant mental and physical declines in people in their 70s. And I don't think it is unreasonable to take those concerns into account.

It isn't an issue that he can't overcome and if it is Hillary Clinton vs. John McCain I'll have to think long and hard whether her unfair disqualifying issue (returning a former president to the White House in any capacity) are more important than his (significant risk of mental decline during his presidency and being a member of a party that pretty miserably failed in its turn at complete power).

Ghoulish Delight · 04-24-2008, 09:04 AM

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And frankly, with momentum clearly on the side of Hillary, she shouldn't drop out.

Yes, going from a >20% lead to winning by only 10%. Whew, serious momentum there!

scaeagles · 04-24-2008, 10:00 AM

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Yes, going from a >20% lead to winning by only 10%. Whew, serious momentum there!

That's the same talking point the the Governor of Arizona said in her press conference. Glad you are reciting the same things.

Morrigoon · 04-24-2008, 10:06 AM

Well, if the shoe fits...

04-24-2008, 06:33 AM	#842
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I have no doubt that dems enjoy any problems on the republican side as much as republicans enjoy the distress on the dem side. And of course, you're assuming that McCain really wants the ad to stop running, which I doubt. It is standard operating procedure to have the party structure do the dirty work so that the candidate can appear above the fray, and I have little doubt that's what's happening there.
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04-24-2008, 07:25 AM	#844
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I could easily argue the same thing about Hillary and Obama. Regardless of his constant calls of "hope" and "change", the man has virtually no experience in any area that the President would be responsible for. And Hillary....while I'm currently cheering for her, there is nothing Presidential about her. So it's all perspective. I'm no McCain fan and you aren't going to hear me say that he is Presidential material, but he is more so than either of the other two.
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04-24-2008, 07:46 AM	#846
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	To quote my hero, Ronald Reagan, from his debate with Walter Mondale when asked about age, when he promised not to "exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience."
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04-24-2008, 08:57 AM	#847
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	And look how well that worked out for him in the final couple years of his presidency. It isn't fair to him, but he is too old. And that is why Hillary Clinton won't drop out until absolutely forced to, because by the time she can be sure she'll have another chance to run, she also will be too old (not as old as McCain but if she has to wait 8 more years to be president she'd be 69 when taking office). Yes, McCain may very well be hail and hearty into his 90s but is it a simple fact of life that it is reasonable to expect significant mental and physical declines in people in their 70s. And I don't think it is unreasonable to take those concerns into account. It isn't an issue that he can't overcome and if it is Hillary Clinton vs. John McCain I'll have to think long and hard whether her unfair disqualifying issue (returning a former president to the White House in any capacity) are more important than his (significant risk of mental decline during his presidency and being a member of a party that pretty miserably failed in its turn at complete power).
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