Yes, we can.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

At this point she should just be embarrassed to continue, but then I remembered that the Clintons do not get embarrassed about anything. I remembered when I thought that President Clinton would leave office out of sheer embarrassment, but I totally underestimated his ability to put up with being a liar in front of the entire world.

I simply cannot wait until the kicking-and-screaming moment when she is silenced, just because at this point she's running on sheer chutzpah, not reality. Bottom line - She Is Hurting The Party. How unbelievably selfish of her, if she continues.

[Moonliner]

I just can't helping thinking that from the Clinton's perspective, if she can't win the nomination this year then the next best thing for her is if McCain wins and she can run again in four years.

If Obama wins then she's pretty much cooked for good as far as the presidency goes.

So knowing that the longer this drags out, the better it is for the Republicans......

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

I just can't helping thinking that from the Clinton's perspective, if she can't win the nomination this year then the next best thing for her is if McCain wins and she can run again in four years.

If Obama wins then she's pretty much cooked for good as far as the presidency goes.

So knowing that the longer this drags out, the better it is for the Republicans......

I have heard theories on this and would not be at all surprised if this is her angle. Should that happen, and McCain defeats Obama, it will be very interesting to see the dynamics in the Senate for the next 4 years as those two will basically continue the campaign and struggle for power and influence far beyond the norm.

Clinton, Inc. is all about the power and influence of the Clintons and the fact that they will do anything to acquire and maintain it. This has indeed always been the case.

Obama is well polished in his rhetoric, but I don't buy the "our" and "we" stuff. It is "we" and "our" only for those that wish to accomplish the same agenda. I have no problem with that (beyond that he scares the hell out of me) - elections mean things and if he wins, he should try to push his agenda through.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

...(beyond that he scares the hell out of me)...

Why? I'm curious.

[3894]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

How unbelievably selfish of her, if she continues.

Lots of people have pointed out that Sen. Clinton's rhetoric is I, me, mine but Sen. Obama's is We, us, our. It's a simple but important difference and one you'd think Sen. Clinton would have appropriated. But no and so her language comes off as egocentric and self-involved, which reinforces the perception of her candidacy as about her and no one else.

My husband thinks Sen. Clinton has gone off the deep end and that her advisers will earn their pay by pulling her back to reality.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Bottom line - She Is Hurting The Party. How unbelievably selfish of her, if she continues.

I'm confused. How is she hurting the party by staying in the race and yet, Obama isn't? Couldn't the same logic be applied to either candidate?

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

I just can't helping thinking that from the Clinton's perspective, if she can't win the nomination this year then the next best thing for her is if McCain wins and she can run again in four years.

If Obama wins then she's pretty much cooked for good as far as the presidency goes.

I think the overall feeling is that McCain's chances are slim at this point, especially against Obama. So this really is her chance - as slim as it may be.

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

I'm confused. How is she hurting the party by staying in the race and yet, Obama isn't? Couldn't the same logic be applied to either candidate?

Because the only chance Hillary has of gaining the nomination is by back room deals and other shady efforts which would cast a bad shadow on the Democratic party.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I simply cannot wait until the kicking-and-screaming moment when she is silenced, just because at this point she's running on sheer chutzpah, not reality. Bottom line - She Is Hurting The Party. How unbelievably selfish of her, if she continues.

What is this "hurting the party" nonsense? How so? By keeping the democrats in the news 24/7? By making their contest exciting and making everyone want to participate? By not having the candidate selection over before every democrat in America gets to vote? By maybe having the first democratic convention in decades that's not an ignored yawnfest?


Also, while I don't approve of the "methods" Hillary might employ to win, the fact is tons of people are voting for her. Though she's behind in delegate counts, and even though it looks like she can't win, roughly half the voters still vote for her. Hmmmm, how does that make you want to quit?

I don't agree with her strategy ... but it's a legitimate one. Demonstrate that you can win in the states that actually MATTER in the General Election, and hope that super-delegates are swayed by that. Remember, there's nothing nefarious about super-delegates. The system is DESIGNED to over-rule the voters if the party big-wigs believe it's necessary.

I don't think it is, in this case. Nor do I think they will do that in this case. But the system is SUPPOSED to pick the candidate that the party big-wigs think can win in November, even if that's not what the pledged delegates were elected to do. I can't exactly find fault with a candidate who wants to use that function to their advantage.


Fat chance for Hillary, says me. But far from "hurting the party," I think it's giving the Democrats the biggest shot in the arm ever. The longer this goes on, the longer John McCain stays out of the news. He'd have to light himself on fire to get some press before the Dem candidate is selected.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

What is this "hurting the party" nonsense? How so? By keeping the democrats in the news 24/7? By making their contest exciting and making everyone want to participate? By not having the candidate selection over before every democrat in America gets to vote? By maybe having the first democratic convention in decades that's not an ignored yawnfest?

....snip...

Fat chance for Hillary, says me. But far from "hurting the party," I think it's giving the Democrats the biggest shot in the arm ever. The longer this goes on, the longer John McCain stays out of the news. He'd have to light himself on fire to get some press before the Dem candidate is selected.

John McCain staying out of the news is a bad thing. He's getting a free ride on the fact that he doesn't know Al Quaida from his asshole, that he has no problem with the idea of going to war for oil, and his constant flip flopping. Meanwhile we get to endlessly hear about pastors, lapel pins, and Sinbad. The more the democrats have torn each other apart, the further ahead McCain has gotten and the more time he's had to cover up for letting slip his ignorance on foreign policy. He's had months to take it easy and polish his campaign while the eventual democratic nominee has spent months fighting with their own party.

What we need is for McCain to be IN the news, not coasting along on the sidelines.