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JWBear · 05-07-2008, 12:24 PM

A McCain Presidency scares me because it would be, at least, four more years of what we have now. I honestly don't think this country can survive that.

ETA that a Hillary Clinton presidency scares me because I fear that she will do anything she can to prove she has bigger cojones than anyone else.

wendybeth · 05-07-2008, 12:24 PM

Scaeagles, does the government military spending fuss you at all? Just wondering. Also, if not- where the hell do you think they get the money to do so?

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 12:24 PM

Really? You believe that it would literally mean the end of America?

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

Scaeagles, does the government military spending fuss you at all? Just wondering. Also, if not- where the hell do you think they get the money to do so?

I have no problem with taxation for Constitutionally mandated functions of the federal government. Well over half, and I'm sure it's over 75% though I do not know exact numbers, of federal spending is not for Constitutionally mandated functions. So, no, military spending doesn't anger me at all. Wasteful spending in all areas does, so to the point that military funding is wasted - and we would disagree on what constitutes wasted military spending - that is a problem.

Kevy Baby · 05-07-2008, 12:33 PM

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He's [Obama] a maroon.

Hmm... I thought Obama was black

wendybeth · 05-07-2008, 12:36 PM

Studying the American Revolution, especially the drafting of the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution when viewed through the eyes of the original participants, I must say I disagree with your logic. The original patriots would be appalled at our world stance right now- we are little better than England was in our arrogance and imperialistic pursuits, no matter what guise (Democracy) we throw on them. We fought a Revolution over less- what makes you think it can't happen again? Everything is lining up for social upheaval, and it's just getting worse. When it hits you in the pocketbook, I suspect you too will join the ranks of those who cannot afford to be Republican anymore.

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 12:45 PM

I would suggest, from what I know of the Federalist Papers (which I've read, but certainly do not consider myself a scholar on), that they would be far more appalled at the level of spending on clearly not Constitutionally mandated functions. James Madison once said, when a bill appropriating $15,000 for some....gosh, I'm thinking refuges from somewhere, but can't be sure....that "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

You think I haven't been hit in the pocket book? Do you think I'm rich? I still believe in the principles I'm espousing regardless of their direct impact on my bottom line because I think they're right.

JWBear · 05-07-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Really? You believe that it would literally mean the end of America?

America as we know it now. If we continue on our present course, I can only see disaster coming... economic collapse, destruction of our military, massive civil unrest, revolution, invasion… take your pick. The policies of the current neo-con/corporate controlled Republican Party will destroy this nation.

JWBear · 05-07-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I would suggest, from what I know of the Federalist Papers (which I've read, but certainly do not consider myself a scholar on), that they would be far more appalled at the level of spending on clearly not Constitutionally mandated functions. James Madison once said, when a bill appropriating $15,000 for some....gosh, I'm thinking refuges from somewhere, but can't be sure....that "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

You think I haven't been hit in the pocket book? Do you think I'm rich? I still believe in the principles I'm espousing regardless of their direct impact on my bottom line because I think they're right.

How would the founding fathers feel about domestic spying and the Patriot (sic) Act?

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

America as we know it now. If we continue on our present course, I can only see disaster coming... economic collapse, destruction of our military, massive civil unrest, revolution, invasion… take your pick. The policies of the current neo-con/corporate controlled Republican Party will destroy this nation.

It is so funny that I feel that same way when thinking about Obama or Hillary in office. Without the last sentence, of course.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Really? You believe that it would literally mean the end of America?
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Studying the American Revolution, especially the drafting of the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution when viewed through the eyes of the original participants, I must say I disagree with your logic. The original patriots would be appalled at our world stance right now- we are little better than England was in our arrogance and imperialistic pursuits, no matter what guise (Democracy) we throw on them. We fought a Revolution over less- what makes you think it can't happen again? Everything is lining up for social upheaval, and it's just getting worse. When it hits you in the pocketbook, I suspect you too will join the ranks of those who cannot afford to be Republican anymore. __________________
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05-07-2008, 12:45 PM	#947
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I would suggest, from what I know of the Federalist Papers (which I've read, but certainly do not consider myself a scholar on), that they would be far more appalled at the level of spending on clearly not Constitutionally mandated functions. James Madison once said, when a bill appropriating $15,000 for some....gosh, I'm thinking refuges from somewhere, but can't be sure....that "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." You think I haven't been hit in the pocket book? Do you think I'm rich? I still believe in the principles I'm espousing regardless of their direct impact on my bottom line because I think they're right.
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