Yes, we can.

Alex · 05-30-2008, 07:22 AM

As an interesting example of fitting things into a media outlets pre-determined narrative, see how the WSJ views the "meeting with leaders" stuff as a gaffe where Obama instead of acknowledging has dug in and embraced his error. To them this is a bad thing.

In this month's Atlantic there is an essay entirely on this "gaffe" and how it is a significant, important statement of position from Obama. That even if it spawned from something he hadn't intended to say, after examination he found it was what he meant to say even if he didn't know it and that he would stick by it.

But if nothing else, one hopes the Wall Street Journal editorial board will remember this piece the next time they find themselves supporting or explaining away some stupidity simply because they already support the person who committed it.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-30-2008, 07:34 AM

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As an interesting example of fitting things into a media outlets pre-determined narrative, see how the WSJ views the "meeting with leaders" stuff as a gaffe where Obama instead of acknowledging has dug in and embraced his error. To them this is a bad thing.

I also like the causal relationship implied between JFK's meeting Khruschev and the building of the Berlin Wall.

scaeagles · 05-30-2008, 08:08 AM

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I also like the causal relationship implied between JFK's meeting Khruschev and the building of the Berlin Wall.

Are you saying you don't believe there was a correlation?

I've always believed there was. The Russians had lost 20 million soldiers in WWII and were in no way ready to fight another war in Europe. Khruschev was indeed feeling out Kennedy and sensed weakness and a lack of resolve. That also led directly to the Cuban Missile crisis, but thankfully JFK showed cajones there.

This is where face to face talks, when one is not prepared to stand up and is willing to make concessions easily, can lead to very negative consequences. Reagan was good at it and walked out on Gorbachev in Iceland. I don't see Obama doing that with Ahmadinejad. Of course, I see McCain beating Ahmadinejad to death with a blunt instrument, which wouldn't be a good thing either (well, maybe it would).

BDBopper · 06-03-2008, 06:23 PM

Congratulations to the many Obama supporters on this board as various mediums are now declaring Barack Obama the presumptive Democratic nominee. No matter what your political stripe is this is indeed a very historic day in our nation's history - no matter if he wins or loses in November.

From the other side of the aisle I extend my hand in hearty Congratulations and with it the Best of luck.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	As an interesting example of fitting things into a media outlets pre-determined narrative, see how the WSJ views the "meeting with leaders" stuff as a gaffe where Obama instead of acknowledging has dug in and embraced his error. To them this is a bad thing. In this month's Atlantic there is an essay entirely on this "gaffe" and how it is a significant, important statement of position from Obama. That even if it spawned from something he hadn't intended to say, after examination he found it was what he meant to say even if he didn't know it and that he would stick by it. But if nothing else, one hopes the Wall Street Journal editorial board will remember this piece the next time they find themselves supporting or explaining away some stupidity simply because they already support the person who committed it.
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BDBopper Not Taking Any Crap! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleaning Up America, One Step At A Time! Posts: 1,694	Congratulations to the many Obama supporters on this board as various mediums are now declaring Barack Obama the presumptive Democratic nominee. No matter what your political stripe is this is indeed a very historic day in our nation's history - no matter if he wins or loses in November. From the other side of the aisle I extend my hand in hearty Congratulations and with it the Best of luck.
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