Yes, we can. - Page 122

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 08:54 AM

Obama has said that the Republicans will try to use his youth, inexperience, his "funny name", and that "by the way, he's black" as scare tactics.

Excuse me?

I find this offensive in a variety of ways. First, it seems as if he is equating youth and inexperience with race. This is an attempt to deflect the legitimate issues of youth and inexperience by equating them with non-existant criticism on his race. Secondly, I have no heard one republican use race as an issue - the Clintons did, certainly - and any that did would be instantaneously and correctly crucified.

JWBear · 06-23-2008, 09:46 AM

Just because they haven't yet, doesn't mean they won't. And it won't come (officially) from the McCain campaign or the party. It will be some group - Swift Boat Veterans, or the like.

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 09:48 AM

I agree it may come. The truly reprehensible part is Obama positioning that stupidity as equivalent to the legitimate issues of youth and inexperience.

cirquelover · 06-23-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

Just because they haven't yet, doesn't mean they won't. And it won't come (officially) from the McCain campaign or the party. It will be some group - Swift Boat Veterans, or the like.

For some reason we don't get those ads in Oregon. We only seem to get "endorsed by....candidate" ads. It's always interesting to see other states ads and you get them from all kinds of groups and this "Swift" thing that I don't get. Oh well, sorry for the interruption.

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 11:39 AM

Those ads are typically focused in battleground states or districts.

Scrooge McSam · 06-23-2008, 11:45 AM

May? Will! David Fredosso's already got one on the the way.

You remember him, right? That staunch truth teller who gave us "Unfit For Command".

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 11:50 AM

And Obama wishes to equate outrageousness with legitimate issues.

Not to mention a small little 527 named moveon.org that just might be producing some ads on behalf of Obama. But wait. I suppose they are completely truthful.

Scrooge McSam · 06-23-2008, 12:13 PM

God, I don't have time for this.

MoveOn shut down it's 527. Obama requested they use no funds to campaign for him. According to MoveOn organizers, they had all but dismantled the 527 by 2004. They wanted to concentrate on small donor work.

scaeagles · 06-23-2008, 12:24 PM

Pardon me. Indeed that is the case.

Soros still makes huge contributions to other 527s, including 2.5 million to one called the "Fund for America". Moveon.org isn't done with their political campaigning, though, and has partered with some Pennsylvania Labor Unions to run ads critical of McCain.

Whether it is moveon or some other 527, there will certainly be 527 groups attacking McCain, the same as there will be 527 groups attacking Obama.

Alex · 06-23-2008, 12:51 PM

Yeah, but McCain can't complain about them, can he? He invented them and at the same time made it illegal for an official campaign to overtly try to control them. It could be viewed as illegal for any 527, on either side, to run a blatantly false add and for the benefiting campaign to say "Don't run that any more" and then have them stop. Coordination between 527s and campaigns is not allowed and that includes decisions on what not to run.

Yes, there will be plenty of despicable ads from various 527s over the next five months from all sides of the spectrum. But I won't hold them against either candidate.

I must admit I'm not seeing the logic behind your upsettedness in post 1211. But then I've not seen the original remarks to know if they say anything beyond the simple list of ways that he expects to be undermined in the campaign.

06-23-2008, 08:54 AM	#1211
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Obama has said that the Republicans will try to use his youth, inexperience, his "funny name", and that "by the way, he's black" as scare tactics. Excuse me? I find this offensive in a variety of ways. First, it seems as if he is equating youth and inexperience with race. This is an attempt to deflect the legitimate issues of youth and inexperience by equating them with non-existant criticism on his race. Secondly, I have no heard one republican use race as an issue - the Clintons did, certainly - and any that did would be instantaneously and correctly crucified.
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06-23-2008, 09:46 AM	#1212
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Just because they haven't yet, doesn't mean they won't. And it won't come (officially) from the McCain campaign or the party. It will be some group - Swift Boat Veterans, or the like. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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06-23-2008, 09:48 AM	#1213
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I agree it may come. The truly reprehensible part is Obama positioning that stupidity as equivalent to the legitimate issues of youth and inexperience.
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06-23-2008, 11:39 AM	#1215
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Those ads are typically focused in battleground states or districts.
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06-23-2008, 11:45 AM	#1216
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	May? Will! David Fredosso's already got one on the the way. You remember him, right? That staunch truth teller who gave us "Unfit For Command".
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06-23-2008, 11:50 AM	#1217
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	And Obama wishes to equate outrageousness with legitimate issues. Not to mention a small little 527 named moveon.org that just might be producing some ads on behalf of Obama. But wait. I suppose they are completely truthful.
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06-23-2008, 12:13 PM	#1218
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	God, I don't have time for this. MoveOn shut down it's 527. Obama requested they use no funds to campaign for him. According to MoveOn organizers, they had all but dismantled the 527 by 2004. They wanted to concentrate on small donor work.
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06-23-2008, 12:24 PM	#1219
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Pardon me. Indeed that is the case. Soros still makes huge contributions to other 527s, including 2.5 million to one called the "Fund for America". Moveon.org isn't done with their political campaigning, though, and has partered with some Pennsylvania Labor Unions to run ads critical of McCain. Whether it is moveon or some other 527, there will certainly be 527 groups attacking McCain, the same as there will be 527 groups attacking Obama.
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06-23-2008, 12:51 PM	#1220
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yeah, but McCain can't complain about them, can he? He invented them and at the same time made it illegal for an official campaign to overtly try to control them. It could be viewed as illegal for any 527, on either side, to run a blatantly false add and for the benefiting campaign to say "Don't run that any more" and then have them stop. Coordination between 527s and campaigns is not allowed and that includes decisions on what not to run. Yes, there will be plenty of despicable ads from various 527s over the next five months from all sides of the spectrum. But I won't hold them against either candidate. I must admit I'm not seeing the logic behind your upsettedness in post 1211. But then I've not seen the original remarks to know if they say anything beyond the simple list of ways that he expects to be undermined in the campaign.
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