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BarTopDancer · 06-26-2008, 09:16 AM

Hell, this liberal gal is in favor of gun rights. But I'm also in favor of background checks, waiting periods no guns for convicted felons or people with restraining orders. I cannot think of a good reason where you absolutely have to have your gun right this second. Well I can, but it involves a restraining order and the police should be involved at that point in time.

Alex · 06-26-2008, 09:19 AM

Hopefully he'll support (at least mildly) a constitutional amendment updating the second amendment to something more sensible for modern society.

While I begrudgingly agree with the Supreme Court's decision on Heller, I support a constitutional amendment banning handguns (though a realistic amendment would probably just open guns up to local regulation).

So much for the early talk that this session was ushering in a new age of SC solidarity. They just held all of the 5-4 decisions for the end.

Strangler Lewis · 06-26-2008, 09:23 AM

While it's sort of important to have a working understanding of what the Constitution means, it's regrettable that so much of the debate about basic, pragmatic rights gets warped by the "pornographic" extremes.

We see this in First Amendment discussions of artistic expression and campaign finance reform. In the Second Amendment arena, the NRA (spokespeople) and the assault weapons folks are the pornographic extreme.

Gemini Cricket · 06-26-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

By the way, you may not like Dobson, and that's cool, but his book about raising boys is freakin' right on the money.

Hold on a moment. I have more to say about this comment.
Dobson believes in Conversion Therapy, that through counseling or prayer someone can switch from being gay to straight. The man was a psychologist, yet a majority in the mental health field disagree with his thinking.
In "Bringing Up Boys" he says:

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"Homosexuals deeply resent being told that they selected this same-sex inclination in pursuit of sexual excitement or some other motive."

I'm sorry, but I would not want my son being misinformed by Dobson.

The Dobson run Focus on the Family website has a store where you can buy books on Conversion Therapy called "Leaving the Lifestyle". I was forced to go through a Conversion Therapy process as a teen. Since this is what my parents wanted, I decided to willingly give it a shot. It doesn't work.

JWBear · 06-26-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Hold on a moment. I have more to say about this comment.
Dobson believes in Conversion Therapy, that through counseling or prayer someone can switch from being gay to straight. The man was a psychologist, yet a majority in the mental health field disagree with his thinking.
In "Bringing Up Boys" he says:
I'm sorry, but I would not want my son being misinformed by Dobson.

The Dobson run Focus on the Family website has a store where you can buy books on Conversion Therapy called "Leaving the Lifestyle". I was forced to go through a Conversion Therapy process as a teen. Since this is what my parents wanted, I decided to willingly give it a shot. It doesn't work.

Was it anything like But, I'm a Cheerleader?

scaeagles · 06-26-2008, 10:26 AM

Committing felonies certainly does affect our Constitutional rights - like voting - and I have no problem with screening for things like that when it comes to gun ownership.

I am not for an amendment altering basic gun rights.

BarTopDancer · 06-26-2008, 10:34 AM

But what do you have to say about Dobson and GCs comments about Conversion Therapy?

Do you think being gay can be fixed by therapy? I'm truly curious.

innerSpaceman · 06-26-2008, 11:22 AM

And, yeah, I'm wondering if that's what you thought was freakin' right on the money about raising boys ... i.e., if they look to be sissy girly boys, just get them magically converted into boyish boys in two weeks and $78,000.

Motorboat Cruiser · 06-26-2008, 11:32 AM

This pretty much says it all:

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Dobson further contends that homosexuality, especially in such an early stage, can be "cured." His ministry runs a program called Love Won Out that seeks to convert "ex-gays" to heterosexuality. (Alas, the program's director, a self-proclaimed "ex-gay" himself, was spotted at a gay bar in 2000, an episode Dobson downplayed as "a momentary setback.")

scaeagles · 06-26-2008, 11:34 AM

I was speaking specifically about discipline and methodologies for it with boys.

I have never been one who has believed in conversion therapy.

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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	While it's sort of important to have a working understanding of what the Constitution means, it's regrettable that so much of the debate about basic, pragmatic rights gets warped by the "pornographic" extremes. We see this in First Amendment discussions of artistic expression and campaign finance reform. In the Second Amendment arena, the NRA (spokespeople) and the assault weapons folks are the pornographic extreme. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Committing felonies certainly does affect our Constitutional rights - like voting - and I have no problem with screening for things like that when it comes to gun ownership. I am not for an amendment altering basic gun rights.
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06-26-2008, 10:34 AM	#1257
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	But what do you have to say about Dobson and GCs comments about Conversion Therapy? Do you think being gay can be fixed by therapy? I'm truly curious. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And, yeah, I'm wondering if that's what you thought was freakin' right on the money about raising boys ... i.e., if they look to be sissy girly boys, just get them magically converted into boyish boys in two weeks and $78,000.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I was speaking specifically about discipline and methodologies for it with boys. I have never been one who has believed in conversion therapy.
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