CA Supreme Court to rule on Gay Marriage today (5/15) at 10:00am

[Gemini Cricket]

In an e-mail last Sunday morning, I asked my son in California (and indirectly my entire family) to walk out of church on Sunday, June 29, 2008 when their bishop stands up to read a letter from the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (otherwise known as the Mormons). I disagree with the reading of this letter because in it the Mormon prophet has asked all California Mormons to “…do all [they] can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of [their] means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman.”

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Religious Disobedience. Yes yes yes and totally yes.
It's a neat editorial. I think it's a valid request. In time, I think his family will agree with him.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Hmmm, I wonder if an epsiode could really shoot for a Live-in-Their-Shoes experiment ... have a straight man be gay for 30 days. Watch him try every day for a month to "choose" his sexuality, as all us homos are supposed to be able to do.

I didn't see it, but I think 30 Days did that on a first season episode. Obviously, the guy didn't go "all the way", so maybe this isn't germane to what you were suggesting.

[innerSpaceman]

Heheh, I'm not suggesting anything but the suggestion, just for kicks.

I imagine it wouldn't go too far, certainly not 'all the way'. But I'd love to see 28 days of Hmmm, can't quite go gay yet. And every day remind the audience that which gender you're attracted to is supposed to be a choice, so what's wrong with this guy??!


And just start collecting petition signatures for a ballot initiative to amend the constitution such that the definition of religion is Protestant ... just long enough for the Mormons to go, Hey, they shouldn't do that! ......oh.

[Pirate Bill]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

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I thought that by asking my family to do this, I was simply asking them to send a strong message to Salt Lake City that they disagree with the idea that any church has a right to entrench clearly religious dogma into the constitution of a state or country.

Unfortunately, that's not really the right way to send a message to Salt Lake City. Nobody in church headquarters is going to know about a family getting up and walking out of church, even if the church is located in the heart of Salt Lake. It will only send a message to the local authorities (the bishop and perhaps the stake president depending on how things escalate).

The appropriate thing for anyone to do, if they feel so inclined, is to talk to the bishop directly about it. Before he reads it in front of the congregation if possible. Or afterward if not. Even speak to the stake president if necessary.

These face to face conversations are going to have to take place anyway, even if they do a walkout. People get up and walk out of the church service all the time for all sorts of reasons, and rarely as a means of protest or "disobedience."

Letters can also be sent directly into Salt Lake, but they get so many letters that there's no way for anyone in the presidency of the church to read all of them and still have time to do anything else. I'm sure though, that if the pre-screeners see an abundance of letters on one particular topic they will communicate it up the chain. Otherwise, any problems or concerns that can be handled locally are deferred locally.

[Gemini Cricket]

I think if enough people did it, it would be a clear message. It's got to start somewhere. My best method for a Mormon to disagree with the LDS church is to not give them money, but seeing as how tithing is required... well... oh well.

I think the LDS church is totally off base on this issue. No one is forcing the Mormon church to have gay weddings. This is about civil marriage, not marriage within a church. The LDS church is trying to scare people into working against marriage equality, I find that pathetic.

[innerSpaceman]

And, as I mentioned in some other thread, the irony of the Mormons - of all people - trying to define marriage as between one man and one woman is particularly delicious.

[3894]

Lewis Black sums it up in this clip..

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And, as I mentioned in some other thread, the irony of the Mormons - of all people - trying to define marriage as between one man and one woman is particularly delicious.

Apparently if they can't have a non-traditional marriage, nobody else can.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by 3894

Lewis Black sums it up in this clip..

So very true.
I love Lewis Black. I always think that he's going to have a heart attack during one of his tirades.

It's funny when I come across a YouTube clip where the comments have been turned off. I'm like, 'C'mon, coward, let's see what people are saying!'

[innerSpaceman]

Hahahah, I missed that clip before. Thanks for relinking. God, I love him.


Can he be president? Sure, he'd have a stroke within the first 10 days ... but they'd be ten glorious days!