All About McCain

[scaeagles]

As I've thought about this and read about her, I 've come to the decision that she is a great choice for a few reasons.....

She solidifies the conservative base that has been wavering on McCain.

She is a pick that cannot be portrayed as just another white guy republican.

She has been a reformer in Alaska, where the government had been quite corrupt taking on the leadership within the republican party. Seems like she's tough.

She can appeal to those Hillary voters that (much to the chagrin of 3894) want to see a female on the ticket.

She is really a fiscal conservative, slashing unnecessary projects and cutting taxes in Alaska.

This is of course, without ever having seen or heard her outside a news clip or a sound bite.

To call her a Dan Quayle pick may be effective, but I am also of the opinion that calling Obama a Jimmy Carter pick can be effective.

[BDBopper]

If you want to know the impact of McCain's choice I've got a scoop.

My Mom is the secretary for a local Private school for special needs children. Once the parents found out that Palin has a child with down syndrome that is all they would talk about when the parents picked up their kids yesterday afternoon. Everything was overly positive and all of them will be voting for McCain/Palin (and some of these parents are liberal). Whether it is true or not the perception is that if McCain is elected the person a heartbeat away from the Presidency will understand what it is like to be a parent with a special needs child and understands their needs.

[3894]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

She can appeal to those Hillary voters that (much to the chagrin of 3894) want to see a female on the ticket.

But a female who wants to outlaw all abortions in every circumstance ... But then, working and middle- class Republicans vote against their self-interest all the time.

Originally Posted by Alex

In fact, I am so shocked by these patterns seen in response to the Biden/Palin selections that I will be submitting them as a topic for coverage in the next revival of Ripley's Believe it Or Not!

You're equating Biden with Palin? You need more sleep.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by 3894

But a female who wants to outlaw all abortions in every circumstance ... But then, working and middle- class Republicans vote against their self-interest all the time.

Perhaps to some voters an election is all about SELF interest. For example, if Obama wins and the Obama tax cut link posted by CP is accurate, I stand (assuming the cut happens, which is indeed not a gauruntee in the least if he wins) to get a HUGE tax cut. However, because I don't think his tax policies are best for the country overall, it doesn't affect my selection.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by 3894

You're equating Biden with Palin? You need more sleep.

Perhaps you need some sleep. I made absolutely no comment on either Biden or Palin in that post and certainly did nothing to compare them.

My comment was purely on the obviousness partisan nature of the responses by the nattering class to the selections. And that, therefore, they are essentially meaningless since they come from no attempt at actual analysis but rather are overt spin.

But if you'd like, here is my comparison of them:

In terms of the impact they have on how I am going to vote they are equal. I don't particularly give a damn who is selected as vice president because, though a non-zero chance, my views of the actual candidates for president are never so equal that I need to go to the twelfth tie-breaker.

As to which I would prefer be president if I had to choose between Biden and Palin, Biden would obviously be the choice. As to which I think would make a better advisor to the president, again I would say Biden.

That said, for me to say that I would not vote for Palin as president does not require me to decide she is a horrible person, or a horrible mother, or an idiot, or an empty shirt, or minimize her by calling her a MILF, or emphasizing that she once did well in a beauty pageant.

It is perfectly possible to think she is not cut out to be president while still thinking that she is likely a decent, intelligent, articulate person with whom I have significant political differences. 24 hours ago half the commentators on TV were still struggling to find the proper pronunciation of her name and yet by noon they had all set their opinions of her in Quikcrete. Opinions, that just oh so conveniently fit the narrative for success by their preferred candidate.

She may be the return of Dick Nixon or she may be the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. It doesn't matter, she is on the underside of a political ticket lead by a candidate I'm not gonig to vote for regardless.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

She can appeal to those Hillary voters that (much to the chagrin of 3894) want to see a female on the ticket.

She can appeal to them, only if they are willing to compromise every other issue that they believe in. This is a woman who thinks that creationism should be taught in school, that is pro-life, pro-drilling in ANWR, anti-environment, etc.

If one was a supporter of Hillary, then it seems a fair assumption that one also agreed with her policies. And yet, all of those must be discarded to vote for this woman. I just don't see them being successful in that regard. People didn't just want to see "a woman" on the ticket. They wanted to see a specific woman on that ticket. If the Pubs threw Mariah Carey on the ticket, I don't think you are going see Hillary supporters flocking to support her.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

She can appeal to them, only if they are willing to compromise every other issue that they believe in. This is a woman who thinks that creationism should be taught in school, that is pro-life, pro-drilling in ANWR, anti-environment, etc.

If one was a supporter of Hillary, then it seems a fair assumption that one also agreed with her policies. And yet, all of those must be discarded to vote for this woman. I just don't see them being successful in that regard. People didn't just want to see "a woman" on the ticket. They wanted to see a specific woman on that ticket. If the Pubs threw Mariah Carey on the ticket, I don't think you are going see Hillary supporters flocking to support her.

True that. I have a hard time envisioning many women that will vote solely on possession of a vagina. Hilary is a bad-ass in many ways. I wouldn't have been too unhappy if she had got the ticket. Palin is so clearly patriachy's b!tch that I can't imagine many empowered women giving their vote to her. All this does is give people who were already gonna vote McCain a warm fuzzy feeling that they're voting in as radical a way as those of us voting Joebama.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

She can appeal to them, only if they are willing to compromise every other issue that they believe in. This is a woman who thinks that creationism should be taught in school, that is pro-life, pro-drilling in ANWR, anti-environment, etc.

Anti-environment? Is pro-drilling automatically anti-environment? Or is there something else....I bet her website says she's for dirty air and water and the The Exxon Valdez was her dream ship.

In the same way that there are many one issue voters when it comes to abortion or tax policy or whatever, I would figure there are many one issue voters when it comes to a woman breaking through the "glass ceiling" and becoming VP.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Anti-environment? Is pro-drilling automatically anti-environment? Or is there something else....

She's also trying to remove polar bears from the endangered species list.