All About McCain - Page 30

scaeagles · 08-30-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom

If there are so many women who will vote for a woman candidate only on that basis, then Elizabeth Dole's run for the presidency in 2000 wouldn't have flamed out before the first primaries. I don't think any significant number of Hillary supporters will be drawn to Palin.

I dont' think i said "so many women". I agree with Morrigoon's assessment that in a close election it doesn't take a whole bunch to turn the tide. Even 3894 must think it is a possibility because she almost immediately posted "women, we are better than this".

tracilicious · 08-30-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Well, there is nothing to suggest that Palin isn't smart or a leader. If someone disagrees with you it does not mean they are not smart or a good leader.

True, and Palin may well be all of those things. But voting for her solely because she's female implies that you don't even care whether she's all those things. If someone thinks she's smart and a good leader and agrees with her politics then her being female should only be a bonus (if it factors in at all).

CoasterMatt · 08-30-2008, 11:24 AM

I was hoping McCain would have picked Jaleel White as his running mate - nobody would vote against Urkel.

scaeagles · 08-30-2008, 11:25 AM

I agree with you in principle, tracilicious. Remember, I said that I don't understand single issue voters.

As a support for my case, I'm going to (and I can't believe I'm doing this) talk about Geraldine Ferraro, who says she believes that Palin could be the difference maker exactly for the reason I'm talking about. Just so I'm not accused of becoming a Ferraro fan all of the sudden, I will say that I am only citing her to show that there are hard code democrat women that certainly see this along the same lines I do.

3894 · 08-30-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Even 3894 must think it is a possibility because she almost immediately posted "women, we are better than this".

Honestly, that's not at all what I meant. Her pick was a cynical move. McCain and his team must actually disdain the intelligence of women. That's what I was thinking.

scaeagles · 08-30-2008, 11:45 AM

I'll accept that you meant that. However, it goes beyond that in terms of why she was selected....she isn't just a woman, she is a woman that has the effect of consolidating the conservative base. I don't pretend that being female, though, wasn't a major consideration on McCain's part.

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-30-2008, 11:51 AM

Any person who votes for a ticket based on the VP is not thinking clearly. Any person who votes for a VP based on their gender, or the fact that they have a mentally challenged child are thinking even less clearly.

Of course this doesn't change the fact that they will vote the way they vote, which is why getting ACTUAL information out there is so important.

I'm not surprised that we have heard wack-job extremists online saying "I'll vote for any woman". Um, they're the most vocal crazies.

All I know is, Hillary better have her best speech writers working on this one. After her convention speech I'm sure she can put something good together in a few days.

scaeagles · 08-30-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

All I know is, Hillary better have her best speech writers working on this one. After her convention speech I'm sure she can put something good together in a few days.

You're assuming Hillary wants Obama to win. I still do not believe she does and is in the very difficult position of trying to act like she does without really helping him. The Clintons are very, very dirty politically and I am certain they have minions working behind the scenes to undermine him.

She wants to run again in 2012. She won't run against a democrat incumbant (unless he wins and is so completely inept that she thinks she can get away with it).

innerSpaceman · 08-30-2008, 12:01 PM

That seems to be a very prevalent Hillary theory. So, I'm wondering ... will she garner some respect from Obama supporters, and even some from Conservative Hillary Tin-Hatters ... if she wholeheartedly uses her unique position and status to destroy the threat Palin's gender politics?

BDBopper · 08-30-2008, 12:06 PM

So why are many people seeming to base their vote on the VP? I think there are several reasons

1. The primary season was very long and packed to the brim with candidates and the supporters of the candidates that lost had a bitter taste of their nominee in their mouth. The Democratic Primary season was long and bitter. Over in the GOP the least popular candidate beforehand ended up winning by default

2. Good, bad, or indifferent voting for a 3rd party Presidential candidate is now seen as a wasted vote and people were looking for an excuse to vote for either of the major parties.

3. It's very politically incorrect but no Senator who has been elected President has ever survived office (from various causes). With two Senators running against each other looking and even basing your decision on the VP makes a little more sense than usual in a morbid sort of way.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I agree with you in principle, tracilicious. Remember, I said that I don't understand single issue voters. As a support for my case, I'm going to (and I can't believe I'm doing this) talk about Geraldine Ferraro, who says she believes that Palin could be the difference maker exactly for the reason I'm talking about. Just so I'm not accused of becoming a Ferraro fan all of the sudden, I will say that I am only citing her to show that there are hard code democrat women that certainly see this along the same lines I do.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'll accept that you meant that. However, it goes beyond that in terms of why she was selected....she isn't just a woman, she is a woman that has the effect of consolidating the conservative base. I don't pretend that being female, though, wasn't a major consideration on McCain's part.
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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	Any person who votes for a ticket based on the VP is not thinking clearly. Any person who votes for a VP based on their gender, or the fact that they have a mentally challenged child are thinking even less clearly. Of course this doesn't change the fact that they will vote the way they vote, which is why getting ACTUAL information out there is so important. I'm not surprised that we have heard wack-job extremists online saying "I'll vote for any woman". Um, they're the most vocal crazies. All I know is, Hillary better have her best speech writers working on this one. After her convention speech I'm sure she can put something good together in a few days. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	That seems to be a very prevalent Hillary theory. So, I'm wondering ... will she garner some respect from Obama supporters, and even some from Conservative Hillary Tin-Hatters ... if she wholeheartedly uses her unique position and status to destroy the threat Palin's gender politics?
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08-30-2008, 12:06 PM	#300
BDBopper Not Taking Any Crap! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleaning Up America, One Step At A Time! Posts: 1,694	So why are many people seeming to base their vote on the VP? I think there are several reasons 1. The primary season was very long and packed to the brim with candidates and the supporters of the candidates that lost had a bitter taste of their nominee in their mouth. The Democratic Primary season was long and bitter. Over in the GOP the least popular candidate beforehand ended up winning by default 2. Good, bad, or indifferent voting for a 3rd party Presidential candidate is now seen as a wasted vote and people were looking for an excuse to vote for either of the major parties. 3. It's very politically incorrect but no Senator who has been elected President has ever survived office (from various causes). With two Senators running against each other looking and even basing your decision on the VP makes a little more sense than usual in a morbid sort of way.
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