All About McCain

Alex · 09-01-2008, 05:27 PM

Thinking about this more I wonder if sleepyjeff and others would agree that David Paterson, Governor of New York for these last 5.5 months is more qualified than John McCain, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden to be president since he has executive experience?

wendybeth · 09-01-2008, 05:49 PM

I've no doubt Palin is a strong woman- no way she could have gotten this far without being so. She is weak because she allows herself to be perceived as something less than she is. Some women may be content to be the power behind the throne, so to speak, but if you are putting yourself out as a leader of people it's going to go over very poorly with a good segment of the population. It's dishonest and it propagates that sort of old world attitude. There is no doubt Hillary is her own person, as was Thatcher and Meir and nearly all the other great female leaders that come to mind. (I don't have to agree with them politically to acknowledge their role in women's history). Even Benizir Bhutto, who hailed from one of the most patriarchal of societies, was a strong woman. Palin is not.

I find her family values skewed from my perspective due to the above- the willingness to be submissive in order to gain power is sad, and a bad example to her girl and others as well. Now, her child is with child, and luckily she has a family who will support her in this ordeal- I'm sure she will be fine, but what of all the other girls (and boys) who engage in unprotected sex? Is she going to help them out as well? Not with the party she's affiliated with- they are well known for cutting social services and casting unwed (or even young wed but poor) kids in a negative light. I agree with Obama- the best way to end abortion is to educate kids and provide access to birth control. Just hope you don't get a pharmacist who is sure Jesus doesn't want him/her to dispense said controls.

I could go on and on, but really- you don't care about my opinion, and this could just be yet another thread where we all do the same dance ad nauseaum. Suffice it to say that this is one woman who does not consider Palin a role model, in any way.

scaeagles · 09-01-2008, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I've no doubt Palin is a strong woman ..... Even Benizir Bhutto, who hailed from one of the most patriarchal of societies, was a strong woman. Palin is not.

Not trying to be a putz about this, but you start off saying you have no doubt she's a strong woman, then a few sentences later say she isn't a strong woman. Granted, after you say this you say is she is weak because she doesn't want to appear strong. I don't understand that, but OK. I dont' understand how she is trying to appear weak....obviosuly she's the governor of a state.

Like Alex has alluded to, I think those who dislike her politically will find all sorts of reasons to slam on her, and those that so will find all sorts of reasons to praise her.

But you're right....no one is going to convince anyone of anything here. I do care about your opinion, though. Why would I continue to question what you think if I didn't care why you think it?

wendybeth · 09-01-2008, 06:12 PM

You are being a putz, or disingenuous- you know perfectly well what I mean and are nitpicking to elicit a reaction. I reiterate: she is a strong woman, but she is allowing herself to play a role antithetical to her character to achieve her aims. No doubt a hangover from her beauty pageant days, but it makes me ill. Oh, and your silly 'Gotcha!' regarding her husband does not provide support to your position. Perhaps she would not be where she is at if he were a Republican.

Seriously, though- I mean how she projects her image outwardly- obviously they have a relationship that works, but she would have you and everyone else believe that they have a very different relationship: a good old fashioned Hubby rules the roost one. Do you seriously think that is the case? (Especially if she is elected VP, but even when considering her current job). If he were to tell her "No way you're going to that work related event- you're fixng me dinner, woman!" do you really think that would go over well? I get the feeling she's kick his ass from Juneau to Ketchikan.

09-01-2008, 05:27 PM	#1
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Thinking about this more I wonder if sleepyjeff and others would agree that David Paterson, Governor of New York for these last 5.5 months is more qualified than John McCain, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden to be president since he has executive experience?
	Submit to Quotes

09-01-2008, 05:49 PM	#2
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I've no doubt Palin is a strong woman- no way she could have gotten this far without being so. She is weak because she allows herself to be perceived as something less than she is. Some women may be content to be the power behind the throne, so to speak, but if you are putting yourself out as a leader of people it's going to go over very poorly with a good segment of the population. It's dishonest and it propagates that sort of old world attitude. There is no doubt Hillary is her own person, as was Thatcher and Meir and nearly all the other great female leaders that come to mind. (I don't have to agree with them politically to acknowledge their role in women's history). Even Benizir Bhutto, who hailed from one of the most patriarchal of societies, was a strong woman. Palin is not. I find her family values skewed from my perspective due to the above- the willingness to be submissive in order to gain power is sad, and a bad example to her girl and others as well. Now, her child is with child, and luckily she has a family who will support her in this ordeal- I'm sure she will be fine, but what of all the other girls (and boys) who engage in unprotected sex? Is she going to help them out as well? Not with the party she's affiliated with- they are well known for cutting social services and casting unwed (or even young wed but poor) kids in a negative light. I agree with Obama- the best way to end abortion is to educate kids and provide access to birth control. Just hope you don't get a pharmacist who is sure Jesus doesn't want him/her to dispense said controls. I could go on and on, but really- you don't care about my opinion, and this could just be yet another thread where we all do the same dance ad nauseaum. Suffice it to say that this is one woman who does not consider Palin a role model, in any way. __________________
	Submit to Quotes

09-01-2008, 06:12 PM	#4
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	You are being a putz, or disingenuous- you know perfectly well what I mean and are nitpicking to elicit a reaction. I reiterate: she is a strong woman, but she is allowing herself to play a role antithetical to her character to achieve her aims. No doubt a hangover from her beauty pageant days, but it makes me ill. Oh, and your silly 'Gotcha!' regarding her husband does not provide support to your position. Perhaps she would not be where she is at if he were a Republican. Seriously, though- I mean how she projects her image outwardly- obviously they have a relationship that works, but she would have you and everyone else believe that they have a very different relationship: a good old fashioned Hubby rules the roost one. Do you seriously think that is the case? (Especially if she is elected VP, but even when considering her current job). If he were to tell her "No way you're going to that work related event- you're fixng me dinner, woman!" do you really think that would go over well? I get the feeling she's kick his ass from Juneau to Ketchikan. __________________
	Submit to Quotes