Yes, we can.

[scaeagles]

WB, I think threads are started to promote a line of thought and discussion. Unless someone pops into an Obama thread and randomly starts talking about microbial infections under the toenails or some other thing completely off the current train of thought, I figure it's OK.

[innerSpaceman]

I wasn't aware that OPs owned their threads in perpetuity (or at all).


Her "allowance" of derails? Excuse me????



It's one thing if we start talking about nuclear physics here, but the thread is about Obama. There's no rule implemented by the OP (i.e., CP) that it be strictly positive. Why? Because of how she titled it?

I started the McCain thread. If I'd called it Be Nice to McCain, could I have enforced a positive attitude there?

[scaeagles]

If you did, it would be a very boring thread with maybe two or three visitors and posters.

[innerSpaceman]

I'm sorry if the Biden story was the camel-breaking straw for Cadaverous Pallor. It's a harmless tale of complete fluffy goof.

When I think of all the horrible stuff posted about Sarah Palin (a lot of it by ME), I would think she'd be GLAD the worst thing that could be said about Joe Biden is he didn't notice a seated guy was in a wheelchair.


Actually, there's a lot worse that can be said about Biden. Despite his reasonable-sounding protestations to the contrary, I think he's in the pocket of Big Banking and his suport of the bill to make it harder for consumers to erase their credit card debts in bankruptcy is going to prove particularly pernicious now that the banks are on the verge of going bust and - just as they did in the early 80's - will be bailed out by the Feds and make all the money back with usurous credit card interest and penalties.

I'm sure this is the day the dastardly bankruptcy bill was designed for. Millions of Americans can't pay their mortgages, still more and more will be unable to pay their credit card debt .... and none of this debt will be forgiven, thanks to Joe Biden and others in Congress.

It may be true there were far worse bankruptcy bills proposed, and far more draconian measures desired by the Banks ... but the law passed with Biden's support is bad enough, and will mean a return to medievel peonage (i.e., debt slavery) for millions of Americans in the years to come unless that law is changed (I haven't heard Obama say a peep about it, though).


Oh, and SuPeR K! is furious with Biden for putting a rider on some harmless education bill that basically makes it a crime to attend a Rave. (How can CP support a candidate whose VP choice criminalized Raves??!?!)




I understand the knee-jerk reaction when the camel's back is broken, and too often it's merely a fluffy down feather that breaks it. But there: Now I've laid out the real dirt on Mr. Biden ... much more worthy of breaking the non-existent rules that we say only nice things about the Obama campaign in this thread.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

And for both your punishments, an acting exercise: Scaeagles has to spend the next week advocating for Obama, and CP has to spend it advocating for McCain.

Good thing I'm going on vacation beginning tomorrow

McCain has served his country all of his life. In years past he was the largest critic of his own party and reached across the aisle to support many high profile bills.

I'd write more but I need to do research, no time this morning...



iSm - I know about the Biden RAVE act. The RAVE act never passed, and thank goodness, because it could make a promoter of any party involving the selling of water bottles and glowsticks a criminal, as they were "providing a place for people to do drugs". The rest of congress figured it out and wouldn't support it.

See, but I'm not voting for a VP.....and unlike what you've said regarding gay marriage, I believe that we can't win on every front with a ticket.

Lieberman, Ted Kennedy, and Hillary Clinton were big proponents of the RAVE act, BTW.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

See, but I'm not voting for a VP.....

This is why I'm finding it so incomprehensible that there has been so much coverage of Palin, and so much comparison between Palin and Obama in terms of experience. Compare Palin to Biden. Compare Obama to McCain. Compare the tickets.

However, having said that, I think the coverage of Palin has been a HUGE boost to the McCain/Palin ticket.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

However, having said that, I think the coverage of Palin has been a HUGE boost to the McCain/Palin ticket.

Totally. McCain is boring at this point. Obama needs to shift the focus back onto him.

BTW - I am fine with related political derails in this thread. Shall I tell Wendybeth "Thanks, but no thanks"?

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Change will not come if we wait for some other person, or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. ~Barack Obama


Yes, I'm fired up about Obama. If you feel the same way, this thread is for you. According to the Super Tuesday poll, we have more than a few supporters here. (May I say, I'm calling the State of LoT's Democratic Primary results - Obama wins with 77%. Now how does our state divvy up delegates?)

So, now it's on to other states. Louisiana, Nebraska, and Washington are up next. Sitting here twiddling my thumbs, I realized I needed to do something to help, even though the action is far from me.

Obama's site has the goods, of course. Ways you can help:

• Donate. I did.
• Urge Edwards to endorse Obama.
• Make phone calls to the states that are coming up. There are ways to do this online, and there are phonebank parties IRL. In Santa Ana they're calling Washington state tonight. I have to admit that I'm not a fan of this strategy, but it's there if you want to go for that.
• Volunteer. I put my name in, and I'll keep an eye on local events - I'd like to help fundraise, if possible.

Yeah, I'm not exactly an activist, which is why I encourage Obama supporters to do just a little something. Our little something makes a difference.

From the OP. Granted, our threads tend to go off in all directions, but I was a little irritated by iSm's urging Scaeagles on, and his semi-mild condemnation of CP for her enthusiasm regarding Obama. I think the first post does make it clear that she intended this to be a positive thread, and while you can (and do) do whatever you want; I just thought it might be nice to consider her feelings . It's not like there aren't fifty thousand other threads around here where you go and slam Obama to your heart's content.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I was a little irritated by iSm's urging Scaeagles on, and his semi-mild condemnation of CP for her enthusiasm regarding Obama.

I have never been critical of her enthusiasm.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Totally. McCain is boring at this point. Obama needs to shift the focus back onto him.

BTW - I am fine with related political derails in this thread. Shall I tell Wendybeth "Thanks, but no thanks"?

It wasn't so much the derail- it was more the way they were going after you, which I thought not-very-nice considering the original intent of this thread. Never mind- y'all have at it and enjoy yourselves.