All About McCain

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by mousepod

John McCain (currently running for President) intentionally mischaracterized Obama's plan for "age specific sex education" - y'know... telling kids how to avoid "inappropriate touches" - as "sex education for kindergartners".

As I have understood it and looked into the exact language of the bill in question, here is the exact language from the bill itself that was passed.

Here is the bill itself.

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV AIDS.

Originally the language was for 6 though 12, but that was crossed out and the bill was passed with the K in stead of the 6.

As I read that, this means that sex ed taught to kindergarteners SHALL include what followed.

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

As I have understood it and looked into the exact language of the bill in question, here is the exact language from the bill itself that was passed.

Here is the bill itself.



Originally the language was for 6 though 12, but that was crossed out and the bill was passed with the K in stead of the 6.

As I read that, this means that sex ed taught to kindergarteners SHALL include what followed.

scaeagles - please don't insult everyone's intelligence by refuting my post with another partial quotation.

How about this part of the same document:

All course material and instruction shall be age and developmentally appropriate

I stand by my original statement.

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

As I read that, this means that sex ed taught to kindergarteners SHALL include what followed.

What's wrong with teaching kindergarteners about age-appropriate information regarding sex, relationships, and reproduction?

Dr. Laura started talking to her son, Derek, about sex-related things VERY early on, just as part of his growing up. As a really young kid, when he was learning about body parts and about his normal bodily functions, she didn't mask words related to certain body parts, she just used normal words. And as he grew up she helped explain to him about how babies are created, and what happens during pregnancy, etc. and I believe he was probably only around 7 or 8 when he learned that some women have their pregnancies terminated (she let him come to his own realization that a woman ending a pregnancy meant she was having the "baby inside the mother" killed)... learning about sex and reproduction as part of life and growing up, as part of a whole, and understanding how integral relationships are to sex, was the way she chose to teach her son.

So no, if it's age-appropriate I don't have any problem with teaching kids early.

Seriously, if we are thinking of teaching kids "sex ed" for the first time when they are 14, it is often too late for many of them. Same with drug education. These things need to be introduced very early on while they are still forming their opinion about life.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Tenigma

What's wrong with teaching kindergarteners about age-appropriate information regarding sex, relationships, and reproduction?

The problem is who decides "age appropirate information"


My experince, as a parent with kids this age, is that school administrators almost always take the path of least resistance for them. At our local high school there is a "zero tolerance" for alcohol. It takes away any discretion the staff might use and the responsibility that comes along with it. For example, someone who brings a bottle of NyQuil to school would receive the same punishment as someone that brings a half dozen bottles of Jack Daniels to pass out on the school bus during an extracurricular event. (Note: That is a real example not a hypothetical).

So allowing these same administrators to determine "age appropriateness" is troublesome to me. If they make a decision on what to teach and not to teach based on age they are opening themselves up to criticism for teaching the wrong thing. If they ignore the issue and just teach everyone whatever the bill says no matter how wrong it is for a given age group they feel safer because they can sidestep responsibility by saying "It's in the mandate".

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Tenigma

What's wrong with teaching kindergarteners about age-appropriate information regarding sex, relationships, and reproduction?

Dr. Laura started talking to her son, Derek, about sex-related things VERY early on, just as part of his growing up. As a really young kid, when he was learning about body parts and about his normal bodily functions, she didn't mask words related to certain body parts, she just used normal words. And as he grew up she helped explain to him about how babies are created, and what happens during pregnancy, etc. and I believe he was probably only around 7 or 8 when he learned that some women have their pregnancies terminated (she let him come to his own realization that a woman ending a pregnancy meant she was having the "baby inside the mother" killed)... learning about sex and reproduction as part of life and growing up, as part of a whole, and understanding how integral relationships are to sex, was the way she chose to teach her son.

As much as I can't stand Dr. Laura, I completely agree. At five and half, Indi is very well versed in sex because he showed an interest early on. He knows how people have sex, that sometimes men and women have sex, sometimes men and men, sometimes women and women, etc. We've talked about the difference between love and lust, some of what happens during puberty, etc. It's always been very casual and has come up naturally.

I hold no delusions that he'll wait until adulthood to start having sex. But I am pretty confident that when he's a teen we'll still be able to talk openly about sex and all that comes with it.

I'm wondering when the right will start thinking of these things in terms of solutions to problems and not what fits into their moral code that they somehow feel justified in inflicting on our whole society.

[Snowflake]

Palin Ready to Step in as President

Palin says she's ready to step in as president

FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Thursday that she didn't blink when Republican John McCain asked her to be his running mate, a surprise selection that shook up the presidential race.

"I didn't hesitate, no," she told ABC's Charlie Gibson in her first televised interview since accepting the Arizona senator's invitation to be on the Republican ticket two weeks ago.

"I answered him 'yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink. So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate," said the 44-year-old Palin, a governor who has been in office less than two years.

Asked if she felt ready to step in as vice president or perhaps even president if something happened to the 72-year-old McCain, Palin said: "I do, Charlie, and on January 20, when John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, we'll be ready. I'm ready."

[Moonliner]

Great news! Vote for McCain and you get the exciting Ms. Palin absoultly free. But Wait! There's more. Act now and you can also get Mr. Barack Obama! That's right three fine candidates for the price of just one! Act now this offer is limited....

Originally Posted by News

John McCain offers Barack Obama a cabinet post

This is one promise that Senator John McCain might struggle to keep if he does win in November. When asked by Time's Rick Stengel, moderating the 9/11 anniversary forum on national service here at Columbia University in uptown New York city, whether he would give Barack Obama a cabinet job, he responded that he would.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Great news! Vote for McCain and you get the exciting Ms. Palin absoultly free. But Wait! There's more. Act now and you can also get Mr. Barack Obama! That's right three fine candidates for the price of just one! Act now this offer is limited....

Oh great, will they call themselves the 3rd Triumvirate