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scaeagles · 09-12-2008, 05:14 PM

I didn't see it as demeaning community service work.

In the same way that you see (and it is in fact) a clever retort about Jesus and Pilate, the "demeaning" of community service work was a clever retort to how she had been (by dems, not specifically Obama) only the mayor of a small town (or whatever they were saying specifically) and was therefore completely unqualified.

Community service was not demeaned, it was citing community service work as a qualification to be President that was demeaned.

innerSpaceman · 09-12-2008, 05:16 PM

Well, she stated that very badly. Just about everyone who works in community service took offense at that remark, from what I've been able to glean.

The RNC audience took it very well. But she was on TV. If it was a specific jab at Obama (and I don't doubt your explanation), it went over the head of the community service workers in America. Ooops.

scaeagles · 09-12-2008, 05:24 PM

Quite probably. The spin of how many wanted to hear it though, comes in to play. I want to hear certain things from McCain, so it is easy to attach the meaning I want if it is close. Dems expect to hear things they dislike from a republican, so it is easy to attach the meaning they expect.

Same thing goes with Obama speaking with the roles of democrats and republicans reversed.

innerSpaceman · 09-12-2008, 05:25 PM

Agreed.

Strangler Lewis · 09-12-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I didn't see it as demeaning community service work.

In the same way that you see (and it is in fact) a clever retort about Jesus and Pilate, the "demeaning" of community service work was a clever retort to how she had been (by dems, not specifically Obama) only the mayor of a small town (or whatever they were saying specifically) and was therefore completely unqualified.

Community service was not demeaned, it was citing community service work as a qualification to be President that was demeaned.

If you saw Giuliani's speech, you know he started it. He said ithe phrase "community organizer" in a puzzled manner and laughed, like it was some weird, hippiedippie, fake pseudo-intellectual thing that he had never heard of before. The "Drill baby drill" crowd ate it up, and Palin continued the theme.

If they wanted to not demean community service--or, more specifically, community service performed in big cities--they would have used the same rhetorical line the Democrats did with McCain's service record: "I respect, blah, blah, blah . . . BUT."

sleepyjeff · 09-12-2008, 07:14 PM

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I just see it as an "oh yeah" joke about the Republicans maligning Obama's experience as a community organizer. If the shoe was on the other foot and the Democrats maligned a Republican's experience in a community or church organization, they'd be accused of being out of touch and expecting government to solve all our problems.

A fair point.

SzczerbiakManiac · 09-15-2008, 11:33 AM

Les Misbarack

Gn2Dlnd · 09-15-2008, 12:57 PM

^ This has actually made me want to see a good production of Les Mis. When I saw it a few years ago at the Ahmanson it was ponderous, unenthusiastic and interminable. I put it on my "never again" list. This shows what an emotionally invested cast can bring to a show.

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Though I will vote for him with some modicum of enthusiasm, I actually find the fervor of Obama's supporters somewhat offputting. I believe that skepticism and healthy mistrust of all who would rule should be standard operating procedure. You would never find me having a politician as my avatar as CP does.

The Commodore L. Swank's perennial attempts to seize the seat of the Rear Admiral on the board of trustees of the Salton Sea Yacht Club only makes me admire him all the more.

flippyshark · 09-15-2008, 07:59 PM

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Les Misbarack

It is completely ridiculous that that made me tear up.

sleepyjeff · 09-16-2008, 10:58 PM

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
1) Christopher Dodd (D-CT) $133,900
2) John Kerry (D-MA) $111,000
3) Barack Obama (D-IL) $105,849

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/blogs/s...ae%2C1672/

Obama almost did in 3 years what it took Dodd and Kerry nearly 20 to do....not that this is anything to be proud of(especially given the news of the day).

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I didn't see it as demeaning community service work. In the same way that you see (and it is in fact) a clever retort about Jesus and Pilate, the "demeaning" of community service work was a clever retort to how she had been (by dems, not specifically Obama) only the mayor of a small town (or whatever they were saying specifically) and was therefore completely unqualified. Community service was not demeaned, it was citing community service work as a qualification to be President that was demeaned.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, she stated that very badly. Just about everyone who works in community service took offense at that remark, from what I've been able to glean. The RNC audience took it very well. But she was on TV. If it was a specific jab at Obama (and I don't doubt your explanation), it went over the head of the community service workers in America. Ooops.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Quite probably. The spin of how many wanted to hear it though, comes in to play. I want to hear certain things from McCain, so it is easy to attach the meaning I want if it is close. Dems expect to hear things they dislike from a republican, so it is easy to attach the meaning they expect. Same thing goes with Obama speaking with the roles of democrats and republicans reversed.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Agreed.
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SzczerbiakManiac "ZER-bee-ak" Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,409	Les Misbarack __________________
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sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008 1) Christopher Dodd (D-CT) $133,900 2) John Kerry (D-MA) $111,000 3) Barack Obama (D-IL) $105,849 http://www.cdobs.com/archive/blogs/s...ae%2C1672/ Obama almost did in 3 years what it took Dodd and Kerry nearly 20 to do....not that this is anything to be proud of(especially given the news of the day). __________________ River Guardian-less
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