Yes, we can. - Page 203

Snowflake · 09-22-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

We shouldn't be so cocky that CA is going to go to Obama.

From the article BtD cites:

Quote:

Despite generating all this fear and enthusiasm, the Palin Factor hasn't changed the race in California. Obama beats McCain 52 percent to 36 percent in a Field Poll released last week, and neither campaign is broadcasting ads in the state's expensive television markets. On Thursday, Palin canceled her rally and fundraising visit to the state planned for this week.

Maybe not too cocky, but still fairly confident, I'd say.

Alex · 09-22-2008, 02:58 PM

I'm going to continue being cocky about that.

Unless he takes the opportunity at one of the debates to climb up on McCain's lectern and fart audibly in McCain's face while waiving the national flag of Iran, Obama will win California (and probably would still win).

I wouldn't worry about that "big funding for activity in the state" and "solid internal polling numbers." That is just campaignese for "Please, please, don't give up!"

Snowflake · 09-22-2008, 03:03 PM

Alex, bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa

BarTopDancer · 09-22-2008, 03:07 PM

If Democratic voters and voters leaning towards Obama decide to not vote because "Obama is just going to win anyways" it can be lost.

Alex · 09-22-2008, 03:20 PM

That is true, though it was true of the last four elections as well and didn't in any way put the Democratic candidate at risk of losing the state (which has been a 10 point win or more each time).

But yes, everybody should vote regardless of how certain the result seems. I just don't see any real risk of the result (for president) changing. California is willing to consider Republicans at the state level, they just don't seem willing to do so at the national level. North Carolina is similar in reverse.

innerSpaceman · 09-22-2008, 03:43 PM

And I'm still not voting for him. It would have to get awfully more close in the polls for me to change my mind.

Alex · 09-22-2008, 04:00 PM

Absolutely, I was very careful in phrasing that so it didn't say who to vote for, just to vote.

(And president is really the only position where I hold the view that everyone should vote regardless. For everything else I think most people should refuse to vote on grounds of ignorance.)

sleepyjeff · 09-23-2008, 11:26 AM

Senator Biden on the recent stock market selloff:

Quote:

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed"

Wow, just wow.........and some of you guys want this mental giant as your next VP

3894 · 09-23-2008, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Wow, just wow.........and some of you guys want this mental giant as your next VP

I don't get it. Is it the Roosevelt reference that bugs you?

Ghoulish Delight · 09-23-2008, 11:45 AM

Television

09-22-2008, 02:58 PM	#2022
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I'm going to continue being cocky about that. Unless he takes the opportunity at one of the debates to climb up on McCain's lectern and fart audibly in McCain's face while waiving the national flag of Iran, Obama will win California (and probably would still win). I wouldn't worry about that "big funding for activity in the state" and "solid internal polling numbers." That is just campaignese for "Please, please, don't give up!"
	Submit to Quotes

09-22-2008, 03:03 PM	#2023
Snowflake lost in the fog Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 7,831	Alex, bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa __________________ Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde
	Submit to Quotes

09-22-2008, 03:07 PM	#2024
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	If Democratic voters and voters leaning towards Obama decide to not vote because "Obama is just going to win anyways" it can be lost. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
	Submit to Quotes

09-22-2008, 03:20 PM	#2025
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	That is true, though it was true of the last four elections as well and didn't in any way put the Democratic candidate at risk of losing the state (which has been a 10 point win or more each time). But yes, everybody should vote regardless of how certain the result seems. I just don't see any real risk of the result (for president) changing. California is willing to consider Republicans at the state level, they just don't seem willing to do so at the national level. North Carolina is similar in reverse.
	Submit to Quotes

09-22-2008, 03:43 PM	#2026
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And I'm still not voting for him. It would have to get awfully more close in the polls for me to change my mind.
	Submit to Quotes

09-22-2008, 04:00 PM	#2027
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Absolutely, I was very careful in phrasing that so it didn't say who to vote for, just to vote. (And president is really the only position where I hold the view that everyone should vote regardless. For everything else I think most people should refuse to vote on grounds of ignorance.)
	Submit to Quotes

09-23-2008, 11:45 AM	#2030
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Television __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
	Submit to Quotes