Yes, we can. - Page 205

sleepyjeff · 09-23-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

Uh-Oh, Obama's doomed for sure now!

Clinton says Democrats should win this year

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/.../clinton_obama

Don't worry, so long as Billy isn't actively campaigning for him he should be alright

Tenigma · 09-23-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

I might have to change my mind and vote for Obama after all......with Biden around to poke fun at, the next 4 years could be a delight

And we will likely not wind up spreading ourselves thinner fighting wars in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia! What a bonus!

sleepyjeff · 09-23-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenigma

And we will likely not wind up spreading ourselves thinner fighting wars in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia! What a bonus!

Oh, because they will be too busy laughing at Biden to do anything we would want to stop or will it be that we will be too busy laughing to put a stop to anything they might do?

scaeagles · 09-23-2008, 04:05 PM

Funny....no one has suggested a war with Russia, Obama is critical of us not doing enough militarily in Pakistan (yes, I'm aware of the recent story of US special forces incursions into Pakistan) even suggesting the possibility of using nukes....but I wouldn't doubt something could be up with Iran. However, I suppose Israel is going to be behind most of that.

mousepod · 09-23-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Funny....no one has suggested a war with Russia

Sorry for the long quote, but I don't want to be accused of taking things out of context.

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GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?

PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.

GIBSON: Because Putin has said he would not tolerate NATO incursion into the Caucasus.

PALIN: Well, you know, the Rose Revolution, the Orange Revolution, those actions have showed us that those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO.

Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously, he thinks otherwise, but…

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn’t we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help.

But NATO, I think, should include Ukraine, definitely, at this point and I think that we need to — especially with new leadership coming in on January 20, being sworn on, on either ticket, we have got to make sure that we strengthen our allies, our ties with each one of those NATO members.

We have got to make sure that that is the group that can be counted upon to defend one another in a very dangerous world today.

GIBSON: And you think it would be worth it to the United States, Georgia is worth it to the United States to go to war if Russia were to invade.

PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against. We have got to be cognizant of what the consequences are if a larger power is able to take over smaller democratic countries.

And we have got to be vigilant. We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to.

It doesn’t have to lead to war and it doesn’t have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.

His mission, if it is to control energy supplies, also, coming from and through Russia, that’s a dangerous position for our world to be in, if we were to allow that to happen.

Cadaverous Pallor · 09-23-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Oh, because they will be too busy laughing at Biden to do anything we would want to stop or will it be that we will be too busy laughing to put a stop to anything they might do?

Gaffes, right. While you're doubled up in glee with tears streaming from your eyes at the absolute hilarity of the concept that Biden said the term "TV" instead of "radio", there might be real issues being discussed by the adults at the table.

scaeagles · 09-23-2008, 07:55 PM

Mousepod, I'm aware of the interview. I find no problem with it, really. Who will stand up to them if they are renewing their imperialist ways? Hypotheticals are fine and dandy, but of course if Georgia or the Ukraine was part of NATO we would have no choice but respond.

Palin didn't suggest war with Russia. Gibson did. The last highlighted portion said other things would be tried first. These are the same arguments that were ongoing during the cold war. Should she say that the US has no desire to assist or interest in the continuation of free former Soviet states?

Honestly, I don't know what the problem is with what she said. She didn't suggest it. Gibson did. She asserted that any ally deserves to be protected. And she's right.

scaeagles · 09-23-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Gaffes, right. While you're doubled up in glee with tears streaming from your eyes at the absolute hilarity of the concept that Biden said the term "TV" instead of "radio", there might be real issues being discussed by the adults at the table.

CP....c'mon. You know if Palin said that FDR was President in October of 1929 she would be ridiculed. This isn't about TV - it's about historical knowledge.

Motorboat Cruiser · 09-23-2008, 08:03 PM

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CP....c'mon. You know if Palin said that FDR was President in October of 1929 she would be ridiculed. This isn't about TV - it's about historical knowledge.

Really? You don't think that Biden is aware that FDR wasn't President during the Great Depression? You don't think he is aware that television didn't exist in 1929. Really?

Personally, I think all of the candidates brains get a little fried after weeks of talking literally non-stop. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to McCain that he knows that Czechoslovakia no longer exists and to Obama who certainly knows that there are 50 states.

scaeagles · 09-23-2008, 08:12 PM

Sorry. Of course I know Biden knows that Hoover was President. I meant the ridicule....it wasn't about TV vs radio, as has been alluded to in the thread. It was about who was President.

If Palin said it, her knwledge would most certainly be questioned. I don't question Biden's at all. Not here, perhaps, but certainly in the media.

09-23-2008, 04:05 PM	#2044
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Funny....no one has suggested a war with Russia, Obama is critical of us not doing enough militarily in Pakistan (yes, I'm aware of the recent story of US special forces incursions into Pakistan) even suggesting the possibility of using nukes....but I wouldn't doubt something could be up with Iran. However, I suppose Israel is going to be behind most of that.
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09-23-2008, 07:55 PM	#2047
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Mousepod, I'm aware of the interview. I find no problem with it, really. Who will stand up to them if they are renewing their imperialist ways? Hypotheticals are fine and dandy, but of course if Georgia or the Ukraine was part of NATO we would have no choice but respond. Palin didn't suggest war with Russia. Gibson did. The last highlighted portion said other things would be tried first. These are the same arguments that were ongoing during the cold war. Should she say that the US has no desire to assist or interest in the continuation of free former Soviet states? Honestly, I don't know what the problem is with what she said. She didn't suggest it. Gibson did. She asserted that any ally deserves to be protected. And she's right.
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09-23-2008, 08:12 PM	#2050
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Sorry. Of course I know Biden knows that Hoover was President. I meant the ridicule....it wasn't about TV vs radio, as has been alluded to in the thread. It was about who was President. If Palin said it, her knwledge would most certainly be questioned. I don't question Biden's at all. Not here, perhaps, but certainly in the media.
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