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Ghoulish Delight · 10-06-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So, do we want Obama to win badly enough that we'd like the entire economy to tank? For millions of people to lose their jobs? For fiscal conditions that will completely cripple the next Administration no matter who wins?

Huh? What does one have to do with the other?

Scrooge McSam · 10-06-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So, do we want Obama to win badly enough that we'd like the entire economy to tank? For millions of people to lose their jobs? For fiscal conditions that will completely cripple the next Administration no matter who wins?

Who are you talking to?

Tenigma · 10-06-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Unfortunately, though, you were a little off on the vote allocation in Nebraska.

Oh thank you for the correction! I also said "precinct" when I meant congressional district.

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So, do we want Obama to win badly enough that we'd like the entire economy to tank?

I don't think anything will change in the economy right now regardless of whether we want Obama or McCain to win. Listening to the news today, though, it looks like the ripples are hitting Europe, and even one bank in China.

Gemini Cricket · 10-06-2008, 03:17 PM

From the Huffington Post:
30 Lies Refuted About Ayers and Obama

Snowflake · 10-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Taliban split with al Qaeda, seek peace
By Nic Robertson
CNN Senior International Correspondent

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- Taliban leaders are holding Saudi-brokered talks with the Afghan government to end the country's bloody conflict -- and are severing their ties with al Qaeda, sources close to the historic discussions have told CNN.

King Abdullah of Saudia Arabia hosted meetings between the Afghan government and the Taliban, a source says.

The militia, which has been intensifying its attacks on the U.S.-led coalition that toppled it from power in 2001 for harboring Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, has been involved four days of talks hosted by Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, says the source.

The talks -- the first of their kind aimed at resolving the lengthy conflict in Afghanistan -- mark a significant move by the Saudi leadership to take a direct role in Afghanistan, hosting delegates who have until recently been their enemies.

Article Here

If mods think of a better place for this, please move it. I was not sure where to put it.

innerSpaceman · 10-06-2008, 03:41 PM

To answer GD's HUH and Scrooge's WHO .... it's the economic disaster that's putting this in the bag for Obama. There's 2 days less than a month to go. The economy is not going to stand still during that time. It's either going to get worse for the nation and thus better for Obama (which, yes, I believer would ultimately be better for the nation), or it's going to get better and dissolve Obama's distinct advantage.

And that's not directed to anyone in particular. Just a Sophie's choice presented to anyone to ponder.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-06-2008, 03:47 PM

Oh, is that what you meant.

First of all, the economy is not going to magically heal itself in the next month no matter what. Even if the bleeding stops, it will take a long time for a full recovery. The odds of a sudden turn around and everyone saying, "OMG, McCain really DID go fix everything!" are nil.

Second of all, even in the event of a more realistic turn around, where the bleeding stops and things level out, or even begin the slow climb back uphill, I would be beyond shocked if that were enough to turn things around for McCain. The damage has already been done, McCain has already shown that he's ill prepared to handle himself under economic pressure. From, "The economy is sound," to, "I'm suspending my campaign to do campaign interviews about suspending my campaign, to the Linda Blair routine("I'm proud to have made this bill pass." "This bill is crap, Bush needs to veto it!" "Obama phoned it in while I went there and made this bill happen." "Veto Veto Veto!!!"), no one is buying it.

Alex · 10-06-2008, 03:53 PM

If the choice is:

A. Obama presidency and anything close to the worst case scenario being presented economically.

B. McCain presidency and a healthy return to a 2004 economy.

I would, without hesitation pick B. Now, I don't think that is at all the option we're facing, but if God came down and said "I'm existing for a few minutes for the sole purpose of putting this choice on your shoulders..." then that is how I'd go.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-06-2008, 03:56 PM

Put that way, yes, I suppose I agree. I'm not sitting here rooting for utter economic meltdown so that Obama can win.

innerSpaceman · 10-06-2008, 04:49 PM

Yeah, that's sorta what I meant. I was halfway cheering economic woes for people just so they'd see the light about McCain. I felt bad about it.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	To answer GD's HUH and Scrooge's WHO .... it's the economic disaster that's putting this in the bag for Obama. There's 2 days less than a month to go. The economy is not going to stand still during that time. It's either going to get worse for the nation and thus better for Obama (which, yes, I believer would ultimately be better for the nation), or it's going to get better and dissolve Obama's distinct advantage. And that's not directed to anyone in particular. Just a Sophie's choice presented to anyone to ponder.
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10-06-2008, 03:47 PM	#2197
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Oh, is that what you meant. First of all, the economy is not going to magically heal itself in the next month no matter what. Even if the bleeding stops, it will take a long time for a full recovery. The odds of a sudden turn around and everyone saying, "OMG, McCain really DID go fix everything!" are nil. Second of all, even in the event of a more realistic turn around, where the bleeding stops and things level out, or even begin the slow climb back uphill, I would be beyond shocked if that were enough to turn things around for McCain. The damage has already been done, McCain has already shown that he's ill prepared to handle himself under economic pressure. From, "The economy is sound," to, "I'm suspending my campaign to do campaign interviews about suspending my campaign, to the Linda Blair routine("I'm proud to have made this bill pass." "This bill is crap, Bush needs to veto it!" "Obama phoned it in while I went there and made this bill happen." "Veto Veto Veto!!!"), no one is buying it. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If the choice is: A. Obama presidency and anything close to the worst case scenario being presented economically. B. McCain presidency and a healthy return to a 2004 economy. I would, without hesitation pick B. Now, I don't think that is at all the option we're facing, but if God came down and said "I'm existing for a few minutes for the sole purpose of putting this choice on your shoulders..." then that is how I'd go.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Put that way, yes, I suppose I agree. I'm not sitting here rooting for utter economic meltdown so that Obama can win. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, that's sorta what I meant. I was halfway cheering economic woes for people just so they'd see the light about McCain. I felt bad about it.
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