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Strangler Lewis · 10-10-2008, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I'm sorry, but that looks very fake to me, and totally ridiculous. Of course if you search for it all you get are anti-Obama sites. Can't wait until it's debunked somewhere...

Hadn't considered that it was fake. I think if it had been faked, it wouldn't have led off with the positive affirmations. Of course, maybe the creators think black architects are scary.

Gemini Cricket · 10-10-2008, 04:10 PM

I usually shrug off any campaign that emails me something to watch. Straight to the trash can... But I did watch this from the Obama camp and it made me admire him even more.

Morrigoon · 10-10-2008, 09:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-__IdzH1b8

scaeagles · 10-13-2008, 07:20 AM

Here is a great break down of why I do not trust Obama and his promised tax cuts. Much of what he calls a tax cut he only can because he redefines what a tax cut is.

scaeagles · 10-13-2008, 07:39 AM

I will make another post that I am immensely concerned about the amount of voter registration fraud, particularly with the group ACORN.

Also, has anyone else seen the youtube video of the people marching through Manhattan carrying McCain/Palin signs? For the party of tolerance and acceptance, there sure were a whole lot of gestures and words that did not exude tolerance or acceptance of opposing view points.

flippyshark · 10-13-2008, 07:59 AM

I agree that the rude gestures and booing are stupid and regrettable, and I wish all dems were classy people. But nobody gets to swing this charge with a clean conscience. (Which party was shouting "traitor" and "kill him" last week?) Partisan bickering is annoying, non productive, and brings out the petty in people. Just look at this thread!

I haven't done enough homework on ACORN, but at least in theory, it sounds like a group that needs to exist. Minorities and people in poor neighborhoods have historically been given extremely shabby treatment at the polls. I agree, there is no room in this or any election for voter fraud, and I don't think the dems would need to resort to that this year anyway. (stifling impulse to say "unlike the repubs back in 2000" - okay, technically not stifling it at all, but using comical parenthetical aside to toss an easy brickbat.)

If you have any links to solid info on ACORN malfeasance, preferably from a non-partisan source, I'd read it over. If there really is widespread registering of dead peoples names and transporting of persons across state or county lines for voter fraud happening, it is obviously in the best interests of dems to put a stop to it. On the other hand, if there is only rumor and partisan desperation behind it, well, my eyes can't roll enough.

Edited to add - And if your only purpose in bringing these matters up is to basically say "See, you democrats are hypocrites and bad people," then shame on you, and find another fricking hobby. (said affectionately - I'm a Leo fan.)

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2008, 08:18 AM

Voter REGISTRATION fraud is not the same as voter fraud. Since money is paid for every registred name, there are AUTOMATICALLY going to be fraudulent acts commited by every party in every state in every country on every planet that pays for registered names.

But since these fictitious people do not show up to VOTE, no voter fraud is committed.

In other words ... YAWN.

innerSpaceman · 10-13-2008, 08:20 AM

Oh, and I don't trust Obama's or ANY candidate's promised tax cuts. Only a fool would believe such a thing after they've experienced more than 2 presidential elections in their lives ... and only an absolute IDIOT would believe there are going to be tax cuts when every single American household owes $480,000 in national debt to be paid, mostly to the Chinese, in the soon to be worthless dollar.

JWBear · 10-13-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by flippyshark

Minorities and people in poor neighborhoods have historically been given extremely shabby treatment at the polls.

And Republicans will go to great lengths to keep it that way. Smears and lies, again, being the favorite tactic of the Republican Party.

JWBear · 10-13-2008, 08:35 AM

Oh, and Leo... If you think I'm voting for Obama because of his tax plan, or that I really give a rats ass about it at this point, then you would be sadly mistaken.

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10-13-2008, 07:20 AM	#2234
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Here is a great break down of why I do not trust Obama and his promised tax cuts. Much of what he calls a tax cut he only can because he redefines what a tax cut is.
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10-13-2008, 07:39 AM	#2235
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I will make another post that I am immensely concerned about the amount of voter registration fraud, particularly with the group ACORN. Also, has anyone else seen the youtube video of the people marching through Manhattan carrying McCain/Palin signs? For the party of tolerance and acceptance, there sure were a whole lot of gestures and words that did not exude tolerance or acceptance of opposing view points.
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10-13-2008, 07:59 AM	#2236
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	I agree that the rude gestures and booing are stupid and regrettable, and I wish all dems were classy people. But nobody gets to swing this charge with a clean conscience. (Which party was shouting "traitor" and "kill him" last week?) Partisan bickering is annoying, non productive, and brings out the petty in people. Just look at this thread! I haven't done enough homework on ACORN, but at least in theory, it sounds like a group that needs to exist. Minorities and people in poor neighborhoods have historically been given extremely shabby treatment at the polls. I agree, there is no room in this or any election for voter fraud, and I don't think the dems would need to resort to that this year anyway. (stifling impulse to say "unlike the repubs back in 2000" - okay, technically not stifling it at all, but using comical parenthetical aside to toss an easy brickbat.) If you have any links to solid info on ACORN malfeasance, preferably from a non-partisan source, I'd read it over. If there really is widespread registering of dead peoples names and transporting of persons across state or county lines for voter fraud happening, it is obviously in the best interests of dems to put a stop to it. On the other hand, if there is only rumor and partisan desperation behind it, well, my eyes can't roll enough. Edited to add - And if your only purpose in bringing these matters up is to basically say "See, you democrats are hypocrites and bad people," then shame on you, and find another fricking hobby. (said affectionately - I'm a Leo fan.) Last edited by flippyshark : 10-13-2008 at 08:06 AM.
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10-13-2008, 08:18 AM	#2237
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Voter REGISTRATION fraud is not the same as voter fraud. Since money is paid for every registred name, there are AUTOMATICALLY going to be fraudulent acts commited by every party in every state in every country on every planet that pays for registered names. But since these fictitious people do not show up to VOTE, no voter fraud is committed. In other words ... YAWN.
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10-13-2008, 08:20 AM	#2238
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Oh, and I don't trust Obama's or ANY candidate's promised tax cuts. Only a fool would believe such a thing after they've experienced more than 2 presidential elections in their lives ... and only an absolute IDIOT would believe there are going to be tax cuts when every single American household owes $480,000 in national debt to be paid, mostly to the Chinese, in the soon to be worthless dollar.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Oh, and Leo... If you think I'm voting for Obama because of his tax plan, or that I really give a rats ass about it at this point, then you would be sadly mistaken. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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