Yes, we can.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

You can knee-jerk all you want, scaeagles ... but I've yet to hear any tales of people shouting "Kill Him" about McCain at a Biden ralley, or of people writing they wish their mothers had aborted them and thrown their fetus-selves into a dumpster about Democrats who happen to endorse the Republican ticket.


Tell me again which side of the polarization constantly wants violence, and then tell me who's good and who's evil. If Stupid is good, I'll pick stupid. But tell me with a straight face that peace is a mode of the stupid and violence a mode of the intelligent. Go on.

Well, I've heard something that happened on the Howard Stern show...an interviewer went into Harlem, asked people who they were voting for, and they said Obama. When asked why they said policy. The interviewer then listed McCain policies, presenting them as Obamas, and the interviewees said that yes, those were the policies they agreed with.

Stupid.

I've seen the video (mentioned earlier) of the march of people carrying McCain/Palin signs through Manhattan and the reaction of a whole bunch they passed.

Hateful. Intolerant.

I've seen the graffiti and vandalism at some republican/McCain offices spouting "McCain means slavery" and whatever else they wrote.

Violent. Hateful. Stupid. Intolerant.

I've herd the interviews of leftists referring to Palin as a b*itch.

Offensive.

I can keep going. Go ahead and say "anecdotal". That's precisely what you're putting forth. Is it unfortunate? Indeed. Is it representative? Only to the extent the above example are representative of the left.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Betty

Looking back now - I don't remember things being "this bad" when Carter was around. Granted, I wasn't near old enough to vote or anything but wasn't that a better time then the Bush years?

Will we all be saying it takes a Bush to get an Obama?

Carter had double digit inflation and double digit interest rates, with much, much higher unemployment. Not a great time. Hard to say which was worse. Can't really say which was until this one finishes.

[mousepod]

For the record, I have a distinct memory of being 14 years old and talking with my friends about how he hoped that Ronald Reagan would be elected because he would be so bad that we'd get a real progressive leader to follow him. My first vote was against Reagan's second term. When the Democrats failed to put up a worthy opponent to RWR's VP in 1988, I left the party and didn't return until this year.

It's 28 years after Reagan's landslide victory. If you real conservatives want to help get Obama elected using the same logic I used back in 1980... thank you.

[mousepod]

... and I still listen to the Howard Stern show. They did the same flip with a McCain supporter and he said the exact same thing. It just proved that from a random sampling of people on the street... everyone's stupid.

[scaeagles]

Right Mousepod....just like the vandalism and slurs and violence as portrayed on the right will happen to the same amount on the left.

[mousepod]

I agree that violence, hatred and intolerance is stupid - no matter which side it comes from. I also agree that there are a lot of stupid people out there.

Here's where I make a distinction (and why the Republican party hasn't ever really appealed to me): pro-war, anti-choice, anti-freedom to marry... all important parts of the Republican platform... all strike me as intolerant.

Reagan's small government beliefs might have been attractive - but the Cold War Red Scare tactics and his embrace of the Moral Majority scared the crap out of me.

It bothers me when Democrats "move to the center" by embracing intolerance - like when Tipper Gore and her Washington Wives attacked the First Amendment, or Bill Clinton wussed out with "Don't ask, don't tell."

I understand why some politicians pander to the religious right... it gets them the votes they need to get elected. I wish that weren't the case.

While Rev. Wright (and Obama's connection to him) leaves a bad taste in my mouth - I also know that Obama hasn't inflicted Wright's beliefs on the platform of his party. And that's why he - and the party - gets my vote this year.

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by mousepod

... and I still listen to the Howard Stern show. They did the same flip with a McCain supporter and he said the exact same thing. It just proved that from a random sampling of people on the street... everyone's stupid.

This just proves that both parties are too alike. Time for a third party to step up and join the fray.

[Gemini Cricket]

Using scaeagles' mirroring technique, I have to say that the people who are voting for Obama just because he's African American are as misguided as those who are voting against him because he's African American.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Could make it really kinky with a Reagan mask, and you three could wear Pelosi, Hillary, and Michelle Obama masks.

OK....this is getting more creepy.

You get to be Hillary, right?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Colin Powell expected to endorse Obama

Don't know how authoritative O'Donnell is on the matter, but assuming he's right about Powell's pending decision, it would indeed be a pretty definitive boost for Obama.