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Gemini Cricket · 10-15-2008, 01:08 PM

And speaking of Mr. Powell...
Colin Powell at Hip Hop Festival
It's worth a click just to see the picture at the top.

Morrigoon · 10-15-2008, 01:08 PM

Oh hells yes that would be a boost. Lots of people really like Colin Powell and respect him.

Of course some will spin it off as a racial thing, but Colin's a smart guy and I don't think that's what he'd base his decision on. (besides, he got royally screwed by the Bush admin., that's reason enough, LOL)

JWBear · 10-15-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

(besides, he got royally screwed by the Bush admin., that's reason enough, LOL)

So have we all....

3894 · 10-15-2008, 01:58 PM

"We have been robbed of what this country stands for and we need to take a stand." Zoe Kravitz (Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet's daughter) video. Safe for work.

Gemini Cricket · 10-15-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 3894

"We have been robbed of what this country stands for and we need to take a stand." Zoe Kravitz (Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet's daughter) video. Safe for work.

Hmm.
I liked that. Great message.
At the same time, it kinda creeped me out.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-15-2008, 05:09 PM

There are some numbers trickling in on early voting in states that allow such data to be collected.

In some key states, Obama is showing very large leads among early voters :

.-----------Poll --- % Voted ---------------------- Non-Early
State ---- Date ---- Early ----- Early Voters ------ Likely Voters
================================================== ==
NM ----- 10/13 ---- 10% ----- Obama +23% ----- Obama +6%
OH ------ 10/13 ---- 12% ----- Obama +18% ----- Obama +4%
GA ------ 10/12 ---- 18% ----- Obama +6% ------ McCain +11%
IA ------- 10/9 ----- 14% ----- Obama +34% ----- Obama +10%
NC -------10/6 ----- 5% ------ Obama +34% ----- McCain +5%

Not that one would expect that huge difference between general polling of likely voters and these early voters to hold up come November. But it does seem to be an early indication that Obama is winning the voter turnout game among his base.

And, as a comparison point, Bush had more than 60% of the early vote over both Gore and Kerry, so this appears to be a switch in early voter pattern, from a party perspective.

scaeagles · 10-16-2008, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by InnerSpaceMan

but I've yet to hear any tales of people shouting "Kill Him" about McCain at a Biden ralley

Wow....I'm so surprised. The Sercet sevice can't seem to find any evidence that it actually happened.. I'm so shocked a newspaper published a story that con't be confirmed by anyone.

scaeagles · 10-16-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mousepod

Here's where I make a distinction (and why the Republican party hasn't ever really appealed to me): pro-war, anti-choice, anti-freedom to marry... all important parts of the Republican platform... all strike me as intolerant.

This was bothering me a bit....I get the third. I really do get why that's considered intolerant. I don't get why the first two are considered intolerant.

Being pro-war (assuming you mean Iraq) is intolerant? I'm not sure how.

Being pro-life is intolerant? Certainly blowing up clinics and threatening to shoot abortion doctors is, but it's been a really long time since I can remember such a thing happening, and those things have never been a platform of the republican party. Not to open the debate, but pro-lifers don't consider it an issue of choice, they see the unborn as alive and needing protection. Again, not sure how this is intolerant.

If it is about passion on the issues, both sides are indeed passionate on those subjects and shout each other down all the time.

Gemini Cricket · 10-16-2008, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Not to open the debate, but pro-lifers don't consider it an issue of choice, they see the unborn as alive and needing protection. Again, not sure how this is intolerant.

In my own opinion, it's intolerant because a lot of pro-lifers are saying "the government should say no abortions period". Some make concessions and say "it's okay if the woman's life is in danger" etc. But pro-choice people are saying "government should stay out of it". Pro-choice people are not promoting abortions. They are saying "this mega-decision should be left up to the pregnant woman". Pro-lifers are inserting themselves into the situation and wanting to legislate away someone's ability to decide for themselves what to do. It ain't their business, that is not respecting privacy, that is being intolerant, imho.

As someone who is pro-choice, my personal stance is "it ain't my business, deal with the situation as you see fit, go to therapy for your mental well-being no matter what you decide and next time use a f*cking condom".

innerSpaceman · 10-16-2008, 06:47 AM

Yes, it's intolerant of women ... I assume there's no debate about whether they are alive.

War is intolerant of, ya know, humans.

Sometimes you really are a puzzlement, Leo.

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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	There are some numbers trickling in on early voting in states that allow such data to be collected. In some key states, Obama is showing very large leads among early voters : .-----------Poll --- % Voted ---------------------- Non-Early State ---- Date ---- Early ----- Early Voters ------ Likely Voters ================================================== == NM ----- 10/13 ---- 10% ----- Obama +23% ----- Obama +6% OH ------ 10/13 ---- 12% ----- Obama +18% ----- Obama +4% GA ------ 10/12 ---- 18% ----- Obama +6% ------ McCain +11% IA ------- 10/9 ----- 14% ----- Obama +34% ----- Obama +10% NC -------10/6 ----- 5% ------ Obama +34% ----- McCain +5% Not that one would expect that huge difference between general polling of likely voters and these early voters to hold up come November. But it does seem to be an early indication that Obama is winning the voter turnout game among his base. And, as a comparison point, Bush had more than 60% of the early vote over both Gore and Kerry, so this appears to be a switch in early voter pattern, from a party perspective. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yes, it's intolerant of women ... I assume there's no debate about whether they are alive. War is intolerant of, ya know, humans. Sometimes you really are a puzzlement, Leo.
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