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[Gemini Cricket]

Joe is no victim here. Joe has been stumping for McCain by saying things like "Oh, I won't say who I'm voting for, but I'm against Socialism". Joe is being used by both sides. Agendas all around...
In the end, the publicity will help his business. You can't have a better ad than what happened last night and all day today.

[innerSpaceman]

Unfortunately we don't have any black swankers here to comment. In fact, this whole place is suspiciously lacking in members of color.

So just go ahead and compare the next black person you speak with to Sammy Davis, Jr. and tap-dancing, and see if it's taken kindly.




Hmm, seems like the only minorities represented on the LoT are queers and jews ... and I'm both. So I can tell you outright that any comparison to a famous fag and things gays used to have to do to get in good with straights, or to a famous jew and things jews used to have to do to get in good with gentiles, and I would sure as shuck and jive take offense at it.



But don't take my word for it, Moonliner ... go and make that Sammy Davis tap-dancing crack to the next black man you encounter.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Joe's an azshat for saying it ... and I'm rather shocked you simply glossed over it, scaeagles, and professed not to understand what was racist about Joe's remarks.

I completely missed that. My bad....I would agree that is certainly racist in the overtones.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Unfortunately we don't have any black swankers here to comment. In fact, this whole place is suspiciously lacking in members of color.

So just go ahead and compare the next black person you speak with to Sammy Davis, Jr. and tap-dancing, and see if it's taken kindly.




Hmm, seems like the only minorities represented on the LoT are queers and jews ... and I'm both. So I can tell you outright that any comparison to a famous fag and things gays used to have to do to get in good with straights, or to a famous jew and things jews used to have to do to get in good with gentiles, and I would sure as shuck and jive take offense at it.



But don't take my word for it, Moonliner ... go and make that Sammy Davis tap-dancing crack to the next black man you encounter.

No, I see your point of view.

I see a tap dancing politician (in Joe's opinion) compared to a world class tap dancer.

What you see is a comment about race, oppression and hatred.

I guess we all bring our preconceived notions to the world we see around us.

[innerSpaceman]

I guess so. And I can see the harmlessness and true point of Joe's statement that has nothing to do with racism.

But since I can also see how it can be also be taken poorly as a racist remark, I might think twice before I said it on national TV.

I appreciate Joe had only 1 night's warning of glory-filled dream sleep before being thrust onto the national stage. But if he had a clue about recent history and Katie Couric (cough*Palin*cough) he might have still been a tad more carful about his words.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Hmm, seems like the only minorities represented on the LoT are queers and jews ... and I'm both.

There are Asian Americans on this board. According to my family I could be anywhere from a 1/4 to 1/2 Chinese.
And there's a Hawaiian on this board. That's me. I have 1/4 Hawaiian.

[scaeagles]

I am a republican. Around here, certainly a minority!

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I thought Joe's concerns were about the business he wants to buy that makes more than $250,000 and would bump him into a new tax bracket.

And all this because Joe's too stupid to incorporate his business.

[Morrigoon]

Oooh, here's a gem from this interview with Joe the Plumbing Contractor:

PM: Do you fear this is the possibility of America turning more down the socialist road if Obama does become elected and if he is able to implement these policies?

JW: Very much so. You start giving people stuff, and then they start expecting it – and that scares me. A lot of people expect it now. They get upset when their check’s late, they get upset when they don’t get as many benefits as they used to, or when different government agencies are cut or spending is cut here and there for whatever reason – people get upset at that. And that’s because they’re used to getting it and they want more.

Okay, so there are parts of that I agree with, but OMFG call the authorities, the populace gets upset when their checks are late! Oh the horror! The arrogance! They feel "entitled" to the money they earned through their labor, can you imagine?

*snark*

[scaeagles]

He was talking about the government giving people money, not about money they've made through working. Unless I'm reading that completely wrong.

You start giving people stuff, and then they start expecting it