Yes, we can.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

He says 95% - Independant sources says 81.3%.... Yeah, that's some big fat ugly lie.

Shall we look at the accuracy of McCain's tax plan?

As soon as someone can explain to me how, when 35% of all people pay no federal income taxes, that 95% of all people can get a tax cut....that might be a good start to making me believe. Taking money from tax payers and giving it to those who do not pay taxes is called redistribution of wealth, not a tax cut.

When it comes to his tax cut he is as much of a LIAR as Clinton. There will be no tax cuts for the middle class.

[lashbear]

This just in from a political bear friend of mine in Texas....

"My office mate went to vote yesterday in South Austin, where he encountered a man with a clipboard outside the polling place, asking each voter if they planned to vote for Obama. If they answered in the affirmative, he advised them to please make sure to vote a straight democratic ticket, and then, in addition, to vote specifically for Obama.
On our voting machines, this cancels the ballot.

When confronted by election officials, the man fled in an automobile plastered with McCain-Palin and other Republican stickers."

[scaeagles]

First of all, if someone is going to do that - which I doubt, and these kind of things are so ridiculously easy to fabricate - I really, really doubt they're going to leave in a car described as such.

I got an email of a memo from ACORN which described how the voters they illegally registered were told to be sure to change their clothing and wait at least a half an hour between votes, particularly if they were voting in the same polling location.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

As soon as someone can explain to me how, when 35% of all people pay no federal income taxes, that 95% of all people can get a tax cut....that might be a good start to making me believe. Taking money from tax payers and giving it to those who do not pay taxes is called redistribution of wealth, not a tax cut.

When it comes to his tax cut he is as much of a LIAR as Clinton. There will be no tax cuts for the middle class.

You just keep believing that, Leo. And when he wins, and his tax plan goes into effect, make sure you turn over the money you save. After all... It'll be a dirty lie, and can't really be yours to keep.

[scaeagles]

How much money did you get from the Clinton tax cut? Oh wait....it didn't happen. Silly me NOT to believe it. How many times has Obama voted to lower taxes in his political career? That's only half rhetorical....I really don't know, but I'd bet he's voted to increase taxes a whole lot more than he's voted to lower them.

And are you going to answer my question about how one can cut taxes for 95% of the people when only 65% of the people pay federal income taxes?

[wendybeth]

It must be hard to have such a crappy candidate. I'm good with Obama's plans, even though I know he will actually have very little control over whether or not they go forward. Every day I read the news, see the sleazy things the McCain side is doing and saying, and I am thankful that Obama is staying the course and rising above the merde. He's human, despite McCain's best attempts to present him as otherwise, and I'm sure he'll make mistakes- but at least he's trying to do the right thing.

I wish people could opt out of paying taxes for such things as Social Security, Medicare and such. By doing so, they would give up any claim or access to a system they so disdain. They could then shut up about it, and hope to hell the basket they put all their eggs in is going to be there when they need it.

Meanwhile, more and more Repubs are splitting from the McCain camp:McCain adviser votes Obama ticket.

[scaeagles]

I would love to opt out. However, since the social security and taxes go into the general funds (always had to laugh at the Al Gore "lock box" comments), there isn't much of a chance of me getting any out of what is supposedly mine that I paid into the system. Everyone knows it can't continue on its current course,,,,the population is living to older ages and there aren't enough payers in to the system to support those taking money out.

I have ZERO confidence that I will EVER see a dime of socail security money that I've paid in. Not many Americans under 40 do.

And yeah, McCain is a crappy candidate. I completely agree.

[flippyshark]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

First of all, if someone is going to do that - which I doubt, and these kind of things are so ridiculously easy to fabricate - I really, really doubt they're going to leave in a car described as such.

I got an email of a memo from ACORN which described how the voters they illegally registered were told to be sure to change their clothing and wait at least a half an hour between votes, particularly if they were voting in the same polling location.

May I assume you did not believe this email? (I certainly don't, at least not from your description of it. Nor does the story from lashbear's post sound at all likely.) Do you honestly believe that this is anything but lazy workers filling out bad registrations in order to collect a paycheck without actually working? If you are persuaded by the ACORN conspiracy accusations, could you guide us to some evidence? Is ACORN providing everyone with fake IDs? Exactly how is Mickey Mouse going to vote, and whose costume will he change into for his second and third trips to the same polling location?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you find both stories bogus.

[3894]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Ho ho ho, aren't you so clever, 3894! Wow...maybe someday I can be as clever as you!

This is yet another a personal attack. I did not attack you personally and do not deserve a slap from you. I said that Ronald Reagan was senile in office - a fact. I said that Christopher Hitchens claims that John McCain is in the early stages of senility.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by flippyshark

If you are persuaded by the ACORN conspiracy accusations, could you guide us to some evidence? Is ACORN providing everyone with fake IDs?

I believe that scaeagles was pointing out how easy it is to make up stories (in response to the likely fictitious story lashbear posted -- I'm not clear why voting a straight Democratic ticket would cancel a ballot).

But regardless, in response to the quoted sentence, many states, including California, do not require providing any type of ID when you vote.

In fact, my local precinct went one step further when I lived in Oakland. Outside the polling place they posted the list of all the people who were registered at the location (public information anyway). I could easily have requested a ballot in the name of any person on that list. There would be the chance the person had already voted (one election they were crossing names out throughout the day to reflect who'd voted but that was just one) but if I'd been willing I could easily have voted several times a day.

I have no problem with ID laws but there also is no evidence that voter fraud is particularly rampant so I don't care much either way.