A Prop 8 challenge for swankers - Page 24

Ghoulish Delight · 10-30-2008, 08:29 PM

I might print myself a sign for the back window of my car.

"Freedom and Equality. No on 8"

CoasterMatt · 10-30-2008, 08:37 PM

What about the real traditional meaning of marriage?

Two people committed to loving and caring for each other.

These people saying that "marriage is in jeopardy" must be in cold, meaningless relationships, if the legal definition of somebody else's marriage determines the value of their own.

JWBear · 10-30-2008, 09:11 PM

This one was shown twice during Ugly Betty tonight.

alphabassettgrrl · 10-30-2008, 09:50 PM

But some people *do* gauge their family and their lives by comparison with others. If the club's open to too many other people, they feel less special.

Or they think that gay people can't possibly mean their commitments in the way that straight people do (because getting married at the drive-through chapel in Vegas and getting divorced when the weekend ends is so committed).

Personally I think celebrities have done a lot of damage to the idea of marriage and if anything, I'd like to see *that* change.

Andrew · 10-30-2008, 10:55 PM

The Sam Jackson ad ran during 30 Rock here in the SF Bay Area. Gave me chills.

BarTopDancer · 10-30-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

How in the fvck can the Yes on 8 campaign get away with blatant lies about gay marriage being taught in schools in CA just because it is part of the MA curriculum?

Seriously, I'm asking. Isn't that slander or something? It's a complete and utter lie. I know the No on 8 commercials are countering it, but how can they say it to begin with?

Anyone?

innerSpaceman · 10-30-2008, 11:28 PM

Lies are the currency of political campaigns, and especially of those on the side of EVIL.

Tom · 10-30-2008, 11:43 PM

The latest Field Poll shows the measure trailing 49-44%. This pollster's last poll, in September had it trailing by 17%.

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-31-2008, 08:32 AM

We as a culture are ok with being lied to. We may yell about it, but people that lie for gains are not totally ruined for doing so. I tend to have a black and white opinion on this myself, so I get pissed when I think about the concept of lying as an accepted necessary evil. Personally, I can envision a serious system where if you tell outright lies about what your ballot measure will do in order to not only get your measure passed but to actually frighten people, the measure should be disqualified.

This is why I am not a politician

Betty · 10-31-2008, 09:20 AM

Not just disqualified, but under certain circumstances, there should be a penalty involved. Seems like it's okay to say just about whatever you want about these props and other politicians and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Well - I guess you could sue for slander or libel against another person, but a prop. can't sue people it's opponents for lying about it.

The lies can be very outlandish with just an inkling of truth or perceived truth and that's all that matters.

You can't trust any of the ads - and very few people are going to really do the research to find out the truth. And even then, how many people that read the entire prop's literature, actually grasp what it really means.

And one wonders why politics are all effed up and we have budget problems.

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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	But some people do gauge their family and their lives by comparison with others. If the club's open to too many other people, they feel less special. Or they think that gay people can't possibly mean their commitments in the way that straight people do (because getting married at the drive-through chapel in Vegas and getting divorced when the weekend ends is so committed). Personally I think celebrities have done a lot of damage to the idea of marriage and if anything, I'd like to see that change. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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Andrew Making Good Girls Go Bad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 734	The Sam Jackson ad ran during 30 Rock here in the SF Bay Area. Gave me chills. __________________ -- Andrew Just Andrew. Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. (I am large, I contain multitudes.) -- Walt Whitman, "Song of Myself"
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Lies are the currency of political campaigns, and especially of those on the side of EVIL.
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10-30-2008, 11:43 PM	#238
Tom Valued member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 541	The latest Field Poll shows the measure trailing 49-44%. This pollster's last poll, in September had it trailing by 17%.
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10-31-2008, 08:32 AM	#239
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	We as a culture are ok with being lied to. We may yell about it, but people that lie for gains are not totally ruined for doing so. I tend to have a black and white opinion on this myself, so I get pissed when I think about the concept of lying as an accepted necessary evil. Personally, I can envision a serious system where if you tell outright lies about what your ballot measure will do in order to not only get your measure passed but to actually frighten people, the measure should be disqualified. This is why I am not a politician __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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10-31-2008, 09:20 AM	#240
Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	Not just disqualified, but under certain circumstances, there should be a penalty involved. Seems like it's okay to say just about whatever you want about these props and other politicians and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Well - I guess you could sue for slander or libel against another person, but a prop. can't sue people it's opponents for lying about it. The lies can be very outlandish with just an inkling of truth or perceived truth and that's all that matters. You can't trust any of the ads - and very few people are going to really do the research to find out the truth. And even then, how many people that read the entire prop's literature, actually grasp what it really means. And one wonders why politics are all effed up and we have budget problems. __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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