A Prop 8 challenge for swankers - Page 25

Gemini Cricket · 10-31-2008, 09:34 AM

Alex · 10-31-2008, 09:37 AM

If Prop 8 passes, gay marriage will be taught in schools (to the extent that marriage is discussed in schools anyway). I have no problem with that. It is called informing children of the reality in which they live. It is kind of like bitching that if anti-miscegenation laws are overturned it would be bad because mixed race marriages will be taught in schools.

But the segment of the population bothered by that is already used to preferring a world in which public schools lie to children to support religious teaching.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-31-2008, 09:43 AM

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If Prop 8 passes, gay marriage will be taught in schools (to the extent that marriage is discussed in schools anyway). I have no problem with that. It is called informing children of the reality in which they live. It is kind of like bitching that if anti-miscegenation laws are overturned it would be bad because mixed race marriages will be taught in schools.

Yeah, that was what I was getting at earlier. It suddenly occurred to me that the response to that should be, "Yeah? So?"

Strangler Lewis · 10-31-2008, 09:44 AM

The average school administrator likes to avoid controversy, so I imagine that when marriage is discussed, neutral terms like spouse will be used. This will undoubtedly annoy some. I also think that schools will avoid "reading time" books that feature straight romances out of concern that gay parents will lobby for stories featuring gay romances.

I think gay marriage is more likely to be "taught," if at all, in high schools as part of a civil rights discussion.

Strangler Lewis · 10-31-2008, 09:48 AM

Oh, and I assume that at some point, some adventurous drama teacher will try to do a gay version of "Marty."

"When you gonna get married, Marty, hah? When you gonna get married?"
"I'm a big ugly man, ma. I'm a big, dumb ugly man. What guy would have me?"

Ghoulish Delight · 10-31-2008, 02:55 PM

Woohoo, passed a pair of "No" sign waivers today!

One thing that it made me realize, as car after car went by honking and waving, for all the "Yes" signs I've passed I haven't seen anyone honking and waving like that at all.

I don't know whether to be encouraged or worried by that. On the one hand, it's really great to see that there's more vocal support for the "No" signs. On the other hand, with the poll numbers already so tight, it makes concerned that there's something akin to the mythical Bradley effect where people aren't willing to outright admit their support.

BarTopDancer · 10-31-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Woohoo, passed a pair of "No" sign waivers today!

One thing that it made me realize, as car after car went by honking and waving, for all the "Yes" signs I've passed I haven't seen anyone honking and waving like that at all.

I don't know whether to be encouraged or worried by that. On the one hand, it's really great to see that there's more vocal support for the "No" signs. On the other hand, with the poll numbers already so tight, it makes concerned that there's something akin to the mythical Bradley effect where people aren't willing to outright admit their support.

I realized that same thing the day after I was out with my NO sign. I can't recall any honks or cheers when passing yes holders.

I'm wondering with the polls so tight if there isn't going to be an anti-Bradley effect, where people aren't willing to outright admit their opposition, especially those who are religious.

innerSpaceman · 10-31-2008, 02:59 PM

Brad, that ad was, like, so gay.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-31-2008, 03:12 PM

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I'm wondering with the polls so tight if there isn't going to be an anti-Bradley effect, where people aren't willing to outright admit their opposition, especially those who are religious.

One would hope, but based on the utterly meaningless honking data, I'd guess it would be the other way. They won't publicly via their vehicle or to a pollster have the balls to say, 'I want to take rights away', but once that curtain is closed...

Morrigoon · 10-31-2008, 03:24 PM

I found the opposite. When I was standing among all those yes people with my no sign, the honking was insane. I found the No people far more likely to share a knowing nod, or a thumbs up. And that was true even when it was just the one yes lady and myself. No folks were quieter in expressing their support, whereas the yes people are honking and waving

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If Prop 8 passes, gay marriage will be taught in schools (to the extent that marriage is discussed in schools anyway). I have no problem with that. It is called informing children of the reality in which they live. It is kind of like bitching that if anti-miscegenation laws are overturned it would be bad because mixed race marriages will be taught in schools. But the segment of the population bothered by that is already used to preferring a world in which public schools lie to children to support religious teaching.
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Oh, and I assume that at some point, some adventurous drama teacher will try to do a gay version of "Marty." "When you gonna get married, Marty, hah? When you gonna get married?" "I'm a big ugly man, ma. I'm a big, dumb ugly man. What guy would have me?" __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Woohoo, passed a pair of "No" sign waivers today! One thing that it made me realize, as car after car went by honking and waving, for all the "Yes" signs I've passed I haven't seen anyone honking and waving like that at all. I don't know whether to be encouraged or worried by that. On the one hand, it's really great to see that there's more vocal support for the "No" signs. On the other hand, with the poll numbers already so tight, it makes concerned that there's something akin to the mythical Bradley effect where people aren't willing to outright admit their support. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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