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Old 12-19-2008, 09:03 AM   #1
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Rick Warren isn't merely someone with an "opposing viewpoint"; he is someone who has actively fought against the rights of gays and lesbians.
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Rick Warren isn't merely someone with an "opposing viewpoint"; he is someone who has actively fought against the rights of gays and lesbians.
True, and he is also someone who has enormous influence on many people. This isn't Fred Phelps wacko that nobody pays attention to; this is someone who sold 20 million copies of a book he wrote. His influence isn't merely Orange County, it is worldwide. People are listening to this man in great numbers and I don't think that comparing their hero to a KKK member is going to change one single mind in the bunch. And that's a problem, because I do think that many of their minds are changeable. The harsh reality is that millions upon millions of Americans do not believe that gay people should have equal rights, and angering and galvanizing them into a more solidified front is simply not the best path to progress. There are far more effective tactics in my opinion.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:29 AM   #3
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True, and he is also someone who has enormous influence on many people. This isn't Fred Phelps wacko that nobody pays attention to; this is someone who sold 20 million copies of a book he wrote. His influence isn't merely Orange County, it is worldwide. People are listening to this man in great numbers and I don't think that comparing their hero to a KKK member is going to change one single mind in the bunch. And that's a problem, because I do think that many of their minds are changeable. The harsh reality is that millions upon millions of Americans do not believe that gay people should have equal rights, and angering and galvanizing them into a more solidified front is simply not the best path to progress. There are far more effective tactics in my opinion.
Neither is honoring one of their most influential leaders.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:42 AM   #4
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Neither is honoring one of their most influential leaders.
With all due respect, I just don't see it that way. It isn't some great honor that is going to remembered for centuries like a monument in a national mall. It is a small token gesture in the grand scheme of things, but it is also a representation of Obama's exact platform that he campaigned on. It's just that when he said that he would be inclusive of all viewpoints, most people never considered that it meant being inclusive of viewpoints they strongly disagreed with.

But if we are EVER going to get away from the deep political divides that are fracturing this country, that can only come from giving BOTH sides a little respect. Bush said he would do that and failed miserably because he never really meant it. Obama apparently means it, and I'm hopeful that some good can come from it, even if it means that a guy that I disagree with is allowed to give a three-minute prayer on national TV, especially considering that I highly doubt this invocation will mention one word about gay marriage.
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