MLB '09 - Page 4

SacTown Chronic · 02-27-2009, 09:34 PM

That's just Manny ~~being Manny~~ avoiding spring training.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-04-2009, 09:58 AM

w00t!

Moonliner · 03-04-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

w00t!

Congrats to you and the Dodgers. I look forwards to booing him when they come to DC....

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Ramirez accepted the same deal the Dodgers offered last Wednesday

Way to play hardball Colleti.

Alex · 03-04-2009, 10:23 AM

If I were Ramirez, even if I pretty much ended up with the same thing initially offered it would have been worth it just to skip part of spring training. If I were him I'd have held out a bit longer.

Kevy Baby · 03-04-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I look forwards to booing him when they come to DC....

I understand the need to do so as you don't have much to cheer for.

scaeagles · 03-05-2009, 07:03 AM

I'm a free market kind of guy, and admittedly know SQUAT about baseball. However, when I see a guy get 22.5 million per season (that's what it is, right? Something close anyway.) I think about what that represents in terms of what he gets for his performance. Please understand I do not know baseball AT ALL and my examples below may not be realistic, and I'm really looking to find out if he's worth that money in the opinion of the baseball fans here.

22.5 million is 138,888/game (162 game season). I'm not counting post season, but perhaps I should. Let's say he has an incredible season with 200 hits, 120 RBI and 40 HRs. I presume he is being paid this much because of offensive prowess rather than being an incredible defensive outfielder.

Now lets say I could get a guy for 7 million/season, just a good a defensive outfielder who will give me 140 hits, 80 RBI, and 25 HRs. The difference is 15.5 million for 60 hits, 40 RBI, and 15 HRs (but really, the HRS don't even matter...it's the RBI I'd figure).

Is he that much of a fan draw that he's worth that in ticket sales? Do the 60 hits, 40 RBI, and 15 HRs translate into a significant amount of wins? That's only about .25 runs extra/game.

I often run similar type numbers when looking at other athletes in other sports. I am equally flabbergasted when someone like the Cardinals Kurt Warner gets 13 million for a season. Even if they play 19 games and get to the SuperBowl again (win or lose), that's 685,000 for each game! Probably 25K per completion! It is amazing to me.

I wonder how long professional sports can keep this up before they go belly up. The NBA is already starting to experience major financial issues.

That was long than I wanted it to be. Just curious what the thoughts are here about the value of athletes. Again, more power to them if they can demand and get that type of salary. I just don't get it myself, and I love sports in general.

Moonliner · 03-05-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'm a free market kind of guy, and admittedly know SQUAT about baseball. However, when I see a guy get 22.5 million per season (that's what it is, right? Something close anyway.) I think about what that represents in terms of what he gets for his performance. Please understand I do not know baseball AT ALL and my examples below may not be realistic, and I'm really looking to find out if he's worth that money in the opinion of the baseball fans here.

22.5 million is 138,888/game (162 game season). I'm not counting post season, but perhaps I should. Let's say he has an incredible season with 200 hits, 120 RBI and 40 HRs. I presume he is being paid this much because of offensive prowess rather than being an incredible defensive outfielder.

Now lets say I could get a guy for 7 million/season, just a good a defensive outfielder who will give me 140 hits, 80 RBI, and 25 HRs. The difference is 15.5 million for 60 hits, 40 RBI, and 15 HRs (but really, the HRS don't even matter...it's the RBI I'd figure).

Is he that much of a fan draw that he's worth that in ticket sales? Do the 60 hits, 40 RBI, and 15 HRs translate into a significant amount of wins? That's only about .25 runs extra/game.

I often run similar type numbers when looking at other athletes in other sports. I am equally flabbergasted when someone like the Cardinals Kurt Warner gets 13 million for a season. Even if they play 19 games and get to the SuperBowl again (win or lose), that's 685,000 for each game! Probably 25K per completion! It is amazing to me.

I wonder how long professional sports can keep this up before they go belly up. The NBA is already starting to experience major financial issues.

That was long than I wanted it to be. Just curious what the thoughts are here about the value of athletes. Again, more power to them if they can demand and get that type of salary. I just don't get it myself, and I love sports in general.

This is professional Baseball It's not so much about bats on ball as it is butts in seats.

138,000 per game, with an average seat price of $29.66 means that if Manny brings in an extra 4,000 fans per game (or significantly less fans if you include food and trinket sales) he has more than paid for himself. Plus the Dodgers get a percentage from away games also. If Manny brings in extra people on the road (and you know he will) then that amount also goes up.

I know that back in the day, Fernando Valenzuela regularly brought in an extra 8,000 or more every time he pitched.

scaeagles · 03-05-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

This is professional Baseball It's not so much about bats on ball as it is butts in seats.

138,000 per game, with an average seat price of $29.66 means that if Manny brings in an extra 4,000 fans per game (or significantly less fans if you include food and trinket sales) he has more than paid for himself. Plus the Dodgers get a percentage from away games also. If Manny brings in extra people on the road (and you know he will) then that amount also goes up.

I know that back in the day, Fernando Valenzuela regularly brought in an extra 8,000 or more every time he pitched.

That's the kind of thing that I'm wondering. If he is that much of a draw, then that's great. Knowing it is professional ball and it is about profit, I was wondering if it is possible that they get a return on that huge of an investment in one guy.

To me, though, in looking at the financial troubles of the NBA at present, I wonder how long it is before salaries price the average fan out of the ability to go to the game and the teams start to lose money. That salary will push up other salaries and eventually it becomes unsustainable. Or so I'd figure. I wonder when that point hits.

SacTown Chronic · 03-05-2009, 08:38 AM

I was looking at the 2005 NFL draft (the Alex Smith draft) yesterday and i was struck by how horribly some teams used their top-ten pick:

(1) Alex Smith - 49ers
(4) Cedrick Benson - Bears
(6) Adam Pacman Jones - Titans
(7) Troy Williamson - Vikings
(10) Mike Williams - Lions (Matt Millen, you truly suck)

Talk about your poo-poo platters. Not one of these guys is worth a fifth-round pick today.

And it's not like there was no talent available. The Cowboys got DeMarcus Ware at 11 and the Chargers picked up Shawne Merriman with the 12th pick.

It was stunning to see Aaron Rodgers fall to the 24th pick. Even a Niner-hater like me was disgusted when they passed on Rodgers to take Smith.

Moonliner · 03-05-2009, 08:50 AM

Word on the street in these parts is that T.O. is coming to the Redskins. Bleh.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If I were Ramirez, even if I pretty much ended up with the same thing initially offered it would have been worth it just to skip part of spring training. If I were him I'd have held out a bit longer.
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03-05-2009, 07:03 AM	#36
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'm a free market kind of guy, and admittedly know SQUAT about baseball. However, when I see a guy get 22.5 million per season (that's what it is, right? Something close anyway.) I think about what that represents in terms of what he gets for his performance. Please understand I do not know baseball AT ALL and my examples below may not be realistic, and I'm really looking to find out if he's worth that money in the opinion of the baseball fans here. 22.5 million is 138,888/game (162 game season). I'm not counting post season, but perhaps I should. Let's say he has an incredible season with 200 hits, 120 RBI and 40 HRs. I presume he is being paid this much because of offensive prowess rather than being an incredible defensive outfielder. Now lets say I could get a guy for 7 million/season, just a good a defensive outfielder who will give me 140 hits, 80 RBI, and 25 HRs. The difference is 15.5 million for 60 hits, 40 RBI, and 15 HRs (but really, the HRS don't even matter...it's the RBI I'd figure). Is he that much of a fan draw that he's worth that in ticket sales? Do the 60 hits, 40 RBI, and 15 HRs translate into a significant amount of wins? That's only about .25 runs extra/game. I often run similar type numbers when looking at other athletes in other sports. I am equally flabbergasted when someone like the Cardinals Kurt Warner gets 13 million for a season. Even if they play 19 games and get to the SuperBowl again (win or lose), that's 685,000 for each game! Probably 25K per completion! It is amazing to me. I wonder how long professional sports can keep this up before they go belly up. The NBA is already starting to experience major financial issues. That was long than I wanted it to be. Just curious what the thoughts are here about the value of athletes. Again, more power to them if they can demand and get that type of salary. I just don't get it myself, and I love sports in general.
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03-05-2009, 08:38 AM	#39
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Off subject, but this is the only sports thread going these days... I was looking at the 2005 NFL draft (the Alex Smith draft) yesterday and i was struck by how horribly some teams used their top-ten pick: (1) Alex Smith - 49ers (4) Cedrick Benson - Bears (6) Adam Pacman Jones - Titans (7) Troy Williamson - Vikings (10) Mike Williams - Lions (Matt Millen, you truly suck) Talk about your poo-poo platters. Not one of these guys is worth a fifth-round pick today. And it's not like there was no talent available. The Cowboys got DeMarcus Ware at 11 and the Chargers picked up Shawne Merriman with the 12th pick. It was stunning to see Aaron Rodgers fall to the 24th pick. Even a Niner-hater like me was disgusted when they passed on Rodgers to take Smith. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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03-05-2009, 08:50 AM	#40
Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	Word on the street in these parts is that T.O. is coming to the Redskins. Bleh. __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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