Lost!

[BarTopDancer]

The other people who were killed in the fire arrow fight were all non-speaking parts, so them all being killed doesn't really bother me. Easier to do that and focus on the real story line instead of making up random stories like they did for Palo and Nikki. I love that they showed Rose and Bernard in 1977 and being "retired" and Vincent. Hooray for alive doggie!

I was sucked in with Jacob and the dark haired man (good vs. evil?) in the beginning but showing Jacob meeting everyone randomly quickly grew tiresome. Why did he pick those people to meet? Is the dark haired man "the island" - is he the smoke monster, Kate's horse, Christian Sheppard* and notLocke?

And what happened to the kidnapped children and people who disappeared during season 1?

[JWBear]

I think I’m beginning to figure things out… There is a power struggle between Jacob and the other guy – the one he was talking to on the beach. (One of the other boards I read are calling this guy “Esau”; so for simplicity’s sake, so will I) There is something that keeps them from attacking each other directly.

At some point (after the purge?), Esau was trapped in the cabin. The ring of ash kept him from escaping. Ben took Locke to the cabin, thinking this is where Jacob was. Esau was long haired guy we saw; the one that asked Locke for help. Locke broke the ring of ash, thus allowing Esau to escape.

Esau is the one who has been taking the shapes of dead people on the island. It was Esau we saw in the form of Christian, Alex, Eko’s brother, etc. It is Esau who is impersonating Lock.

Esau got Locke to leave the island (and perhaps Ben too). When Locke’s dead body came back to the island, Esau took Locke’s form.

It was Esau/Locke that told Richard to tell PastLocke that he needed to die to save the island.

It was Esau that told Locke to turn the frozen donkey wheel.

It was Esau in the form of Alex that told Ben to do everything Locke said.

Esau has been manipulating Locke and Ben; and he used the time skipping to carry out his plan to defeat Jacob.

I’m sure Hawking and Widmore are working for opposite sides. I’m just not sure yet who is working for which side.


ETA: And I hope Jacob is the good guy, 'cause the actor playing him is totaly hawt!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

If Esau, a character they just made up, really is behind everything then I'm super pissed.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

In the beginning of the episode, when Jacob and Esau were on the beach, Jacob was wearing a white shirt with light pants. Esau was wearing a black shirt and dark pants. Ergo, Esau is clearly the bad guy because everybody knows the good guys wear white.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

This guy posits that Smokey and Esau are the same entity. It makes sense to me.

[Stan4dSteph]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

If Esau, a character they just made up, really is behind everything then I'm super pissed.

He's not a new character, we're just finally seeing him in his possibly original form. The scene on the beach appears to be from the Black Rock era, but from the dialogue it's clear that Jacob and Esau have been around for a while at that point.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

He's not a new character, we're just finally seeing him in his possibly original form. The scene on the beach appears to be from the Black Rock era, but from the dialogue it's clear that Jacob and Esau have been around for a while at that point.

I was thinking the same thing. When I saw the ship I was thinking it may be the Black Rock. I hope they show more of that era and how the ship ended up so far inland.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

He's not a new character, we're just finally seeing him in his possibly original form. The scene on the beach appears to be from the Black Rock era, but from the dialogue it's clear that Jacob and Esau have been around for a while at that point.

Yes, I understand that. They made that clear in this one episode. Has anything in any of the prior episodes alluded to a dark horse, at all? I sincerely doubt it.

"How do we reconcile conflicting motives? Create a character that was 'there all along'." Last minute, made up bullsh1t. I call Shenanigans.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Yes, I understand that. They made that clear in this one episode. Has anything in any of the prior episodes alluded to a dark horse, at all? I sincerely doubt it.

"How do we reconcile conflicting motives? Create a character that was 'there all along'." Last minute, made up bullsh1t. I call Shenanigans.

Huh? We've already seen him in Jacob's cabin. He's the guy that everyone thought was Locke. Speculation that the "island" was smoky, Kate's horse and Christian were wrong, unless he is also "the island". There have always been themes of good vs. evil.

I'm confused as to why you think he is a new character.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Huh? We've already seen him in Jacob's cabin. He's the guy that everyone thought was Locke. Speculation that the "island" was smoky, Kate's horse and Christian were wrong, unless he is also "the island". There have always been themes of good vs. evil.

I'm confused as to why you think he is a new character.

I'll try one more time.

Up until last night, the presence in Jacob's cabin was Jacob. Locke was Locke. Ghostly apparitions were either interpreted as Jacob, or rather, the Island's intentions manifest as Jacob being Christian etc.

As they've done many times before, they have a new head pop up to be the be-all-end-all answer to everything. Who is the ultimate adversary? It's Ben and the Others. No, it's Dharma, see they were here before. No, meet this guy named Widmore, he's totally it. No, there's this supernatural island presence called Jacob, he's running the show. No, check out this guy Richard, he never ages. No, here, meet ANOTHER SUPERNATURAL GUY, he was at the bottom of this THE WHOLE TIME, totally seriously you gotta believe us. How dare you say that there was no evidence of him before and that we just made him up last minute?!

Maybe it's me, maybe I'm just sick of being bait and switched. Maybe I am over getting Animal Farmed, with the words on the barn door getting changed every time I watch an episode.

How many other things need to be "revealed"? How many times do I have to be told that I wasn't told anything to begin with? By this standard they could do an ultimate final episode where everything we know was utter bullsh1t. Maybe there's yet another man behind the curtain behind the yet another man behind the curtain behind yet another....