Lost!

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Yes, I understand that. They made that clear in this one episode. Has anything in any of the prior episodes alluded to a dark horse, at all? I sincerely doubt it.

"How do we reconcile conflicting motives? Create a character that was 'there all along'." Last minute, made up bullsh1t. I call Shenanigans.

Huh? We've already seen him in Jacob's cabin. He's the guy that everyone thought was Locke. Speculation that the "island" was smoky, Kate's horse and Christian were wrong, unless he is also "the island". There have always been themes of good vs. evil.

I'm confused as to why you think he is a new character.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Huh? We've already seen him in Jacob's cabin. He's the guy that everyone thought was Locke. Speculation that the "island" was smoky, Kate's horse and Christian were wrong, unless he is also "the island". There have always been themes of good vs. evil.

I'm confused as to why you think he is a new character.

I'll try one more time.

Up until last night, the presence in Jacob's cabin was Jacob. Locke was Locke. Ghostly apparitions were either interpreted as Jacob, or rather, the Island's intentions manifest as Jacob being Christian etc.

As they've done many times before, they have a new head pop up to be the be-all-end-all answer to everything. Who is the ultimate adversary? It's Ben and the Others. No, it's Dharma, see they were here before. No, meet this guy named Widmore, he's totally it. No, there's this supernatural island presence called Jacob, he's running the show. No, check out this guy Richard, he never ages. No, here, meet ANOTHER SUPERNATURAL GUY, he was at the bottom of this THE WHOLE TIME, totally seriously you gotta believe us. How dare you say that there was no evidence of him before and that we just made him up last minute?!

Maybe it's me, maybe I'm just sick of being bait and switched. Maybe I am over getting Animal Farmed, with the words on the barn door getting changed every time I watch an episode.

How many other things need to be "revealed"? How many times do I have to be told that I wasn't told anything to begin with? By this standard they could do an ultimate final episode where everything we know was utter bullsh1t. Maybe there's yet another man behind the curtain behind the yet another man behind the curtain behind yet another....

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I'll try one more time.

Up until last night, the presence in Jacob's cabin was Jacob. Locke was Locke. Ghostly apparitions were either interpreted as Jacob, or rather, the Island's intentions manifest as Jacob being Christian etc.

They never told us it was Jacob. We assumed it was Jacob and that were predicting Jacob may be Locke or Christian. The show never told us this was fact.

As they've done many times before, they have a new head pop up to be the be-all-end-all answer to everything.

When did they tell us this? I was always under the impression that these were conclusions we came to, not conclusions the show told us.

Maybe it's me, maybe I'm just sick of being bait and switched. Maybe I am over getting Animal Farmed, with the words on the barn door getting changed every time I watch an episode.

How are they bait and switching when they never told us any of this? We assumed it, predicted it, sometimes correctly, sometimes incorrectly.

I get being annoyed with the show. I've been annoyed with so many unanswered questions. I'm trying to understand why you are annoyed that the show is going in a direction different then the assumptions and predictions the people on the interwebs (all over the interwebs) have come to.

Or else I'm totally a ditz and forgot where they showed us all this conclusively.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

I get being annoyed with the show. I've been annoyed with so many unanswered questions. I'm trying to understand why you are annoyed that the show is going in a direction different then the assumptions and predictions the people on the interwebs (all over the interwebs) have come to.

1) I will never get being annoyed at unanswered questions. The point of the show is unanswered questions. When the questions are answered, the show is over. 2) It's not that it's going in a different direction than predicted, it's that it has introduced something that entirely invalidates everything we've known up until now. It's "not only did you guess wrong, you guessed wrong because we've completely hidden a vital piece of information that didn't allow you to even remotely come close to the correct guess. Everything you've learned about characters' motivations and relationships is 100% invalid now, start again."

In other words, I'd much prefer explanations that lead to me thinking, 'Ooooooh, THAT'S how that all makes sense," instead of, "WTF? That changes everything!"

So ... I've never seen a minute of the current season. Should I stop right where I am?

Let me pull out my crystal ball and determine whether you personally will like the season, as well as the season that doesn't exist yet...

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

1) I will never get being annoyed at unanswered questions. The point of the show is unanswered questions. When the questions are answered, the show is over. 2) It's not that it's going in a different direction than predicted, it's that it has introduced something that entirely invalidates everything we've known up until now. It's "not only did you guess wrong, you guessed wrong because we've completely hidden a vital piece of information that didn't allow you to even remotely come close to the correct guess. Everything you've learned about characters' motivations and relationships is 100% invalid now, start again."

In other words, I'd much prefer explanations that lead to me thinking, 'Ooooooh, THAT'S how that all makes sense," instead of, "WTF? That changes everything!"

I'm not picking on Jen, I'm trying to understand.

I don't see it as hiding a vital piece of information from us, I see it as us making assumptions about something, and we assumed wrong.

I don't interpret the finale the same way you two do, so obviously we have to agree to disagree, I'm just trying to look at it from a different perspective.