HCR Passes

[Moonliner]

So what's in the "Fix it" bill? If it fails where does that leave us?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by wolfy999

Will I save any money on my premiums, or am I just going to pay more in taxes to cover everyone else?

Are you buying your own insurance or getting it through an employer?

The big changes are in the area of insurance mobility and availability. If you have insurance and unchanging employment and aren't hitting your coverage caps then you probably won't notice a big difference.

If you're purchasing your own insurance, then whether you'll get help on the price will depend on how much money you make and those parts will be a few years before they really kick in.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I do suppose, though, that I don't understand why opposition is blamed on conservative "fear mongering". Do the 50+ percent of the population that is opposed to this listen to this conservative "fear mongering"? Perhaps it is rational people who don't simply don't like many of the proposals for whatever reason (even though many rational people do).

To start, there's the fact that those numbers flip when, instead of just being asked, "Are you in favor of Obama's plan", people are shown what is actually in that plan (soucre). So clearly some not insignificant portion of the population was basing their opinion on a false notion of what the plan entailed.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Betty

(begin snarkyness - you've been warned)

Maybe you should see your doctor about that... because you have health insurance and wow, wouldn't it be great if we all could see a doctor when we were sick? Oh that's right, the thought makes you sick to your stomache.

(/snark)

I'll snark right back at you, but will refrain from using the names that pop into my head.

I am sick of the implications that people against this bill don't care. Perhaps - just maybe, if your tunnel vision can allow you to see past the typical mantra - you could imagine that there are those out there - a vast majority of people opposed to this bill - don't think it's the best way to go about it.

But I suppose that may not be fair to say. When most members of congress haven't read it, I suppose I can't truly object to the provisions. Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

Don't care about the warning in the least, Betty. Does warning someone that you're going to be an idiot make it OK to be an idiot?

Out of snark mode and back to people who apparently do want to have intelligent discussion about this. Which has been pretty much everyone in this thread up to Betty's post.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

*Ding!* Student Loan?

Did you say student loan? Oh oh. I'd not heard that was included.

I better go have a Google for that. Moonie Jr. is college bound in ~18-Months and Headliner is not far behind.

[JWBear]

While I admit that I have not read all 2700 pages, I have read several summaries. Have you read any, Leo? If so, then what - specifically - do you object to? If not, then perhaps you should, and then get back to us.

Vague objections concerning "Loss of freedom" and "government takeover" don't hold water when you actually know what is in the bill.

[wolfy999]

Originally Posted by Alex

Are you buying your own insurance or getting it through an employer?

The big changes are in the area of insurance mobility and availability. If you have insurance and unchanging employment and aren't hitting your coverage caps then you probably won't notice a big difference.

If you're purchasing your own insurance, then whether you'll get help on the price will depend on how much money you make and those parts will be a few years before they really kick in.

We purchase our own insurance since I work part time and my hubby is self employed.

A few years? Darn! Could use the help now.

[Stan4dSteph]

Student loan rider must have been a talking point. I saw it mentioned by someone on MP also.

Anyone have more detailed analysis of that?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Here's some detail

It's lame that it was included. But that's business as usual. And while I'd much rather it didn't happen, its not a practice that's going to disappear overnight. And I'm not willing to put health care reform on hold for another 20 years (because let's be honest here, if it failed this time around, that's the minimum length before anyone has the political balls to bring the subject up again) just because every single bill passed in the current congressional process contains superfluous crap. That's an entirely separate issue, and one that would not be solved by blocking this bill.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'll snark right back at you, but will refrain from using the names that pop into my head.

I am sick of the implications that people against this bill don't care. Perhaps - just maybe, if your tunnel vision can allow you to see past the typical mantra - you could imagine that there are those out there - a vast majority of people opposed to this bill - don't think it's the best way to go about it.

But I suppose that may not be fair to say. When most members of congress haven't read it, I suppose I can't truly object to the provisions. Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

Don't care about the warning in the least, Betty. Does warning someone that you're going to be an idiot make it OK to be an idiot?

Out of snark mode and back to people who apparently do want to have intelligent discussion about this. Which has been pretty much everyone in this thread up to Betty's post.

And here I was feeling bad that I was the 3rd person to make the same joke - but whatever if you want to single me out.

Perhaps you, in your own "tunnel vision", can't see the urgency that others do. You have all the time in the world to wait for reform when you have health insurance...

While we think about things like not sending the kids to their friends house with a trampolene because if they fall and get hurt, we are beyond screwed to pay the bill for that. When my teenage daughter is cooking and we fret because she's using the "big" knife and if she cut herself badly, we would be screwed. And that's just from this weekend. We live our lives around the FEAR of not having health care available to us.

What is so wrong with making progress and giving people the opportunity to live their lives without fear of going bankrupt over normal sickness and injuries?

It's a lot easier to wait for reform to happen when you've got health insurance...

...For someone like me, on the other side of the coin, every day waiting is another day something terrible can happen and wipe us out. So yes, I do have tunnel vision - with health care being the light at the end of the tunnel.