The Gay Thread

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

But (prepare for the shock of a lfetime), in average American circles I am not the paradigm of hetero-male-machismo.

Well, you even had a reputation around here for being the gayest straight man. And I think a lot of gay guys I knew thought you were gay through wishful thinking.


I don't mind you calling us on it. It strict terms, you are absolutely correct. It's more likely US who are being hypocritical when we 'ping' that Shirvell is gay because of how he comes off. And likely we all know that, but we also like to be silly and just a little bit bitchy.

More seriously, most gays are also a bit sensitized to those railing against homosexuality the loudest being despicable closet cases, and we enjoy seeing that revealed by whatever means. Not only for the sheer joy of it - but because the more that tendency comes to light, the more the loud-mouthiest gay haters who aren't gay might shut up for fear of seeming absolutely gay.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

I see where you are coming from, but I still have to disagree with you. It's much more than labeling someone based on stereotypes. And unless you have lived the life of a gay person, it's really not something you can truly grasp. While you have been mistaken for gay, you are a heterosexual male. You simply do not have the life experiences we do, and you can't see the world through the lens of ours. This is true of any minority; there are points of view you just can't comprehend unless you belong to that group.

You're right...no more than YOU can possibly comprehend what it's like to continually through adolescence have your sexuality wrongly assailed.

I'm Jewish, trust me, I'm well versed in what it's like to be the target of bigotry.

Go ahead and tell Billy Lucas's parents (thanks GC) that, really, Billy shouldn't have been whining, he had no idea what REAL persecution is.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Go ahead and tell Billy Lucas's parents (thanks GC) that, really, Billy shouldn't have been whining, he had no idea what REAL persecution is.

Where did that come from?! That has nothing to do with what I said.

[alphabassettgrrl]

I can totally accept that there are commonalities to growing up gay. I don't think it's a monolithic experience, that teaches everybody the same things, but there are similar bits. And I don't know that a person can understand the emotional experience of being someone else. Maybe it's just me but I can only do it in an intellectual way.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Alex

Yes, but with the side benefit of being wrapped around truth. I'm right, you're wrong. If that weren't the case I'd be arguing your side.

Well... Whatever makes you happy.

[innerSpaceman]

I used to get bullied for being abnormally tall. It was so freaking crazy. I was so Not Tall, but thug kids kept thinking I was - maybe because I was such a big character. Whatever, I used to get my ass handed to me constantly for having my head in the clouds.

Sigh - I don't think anyone can ever understand the heartache of being thought tall when I was so diligently short. It was a nightmare. Only those of us who went through it can possibly understand.





ok, just havin' a little fun. That's not a parody aimed with malice at anyone particular

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Try growing up Jehovah's Witness - Hellish.

But think of the positives - Gay = fashion, Jewish = Chosen, Jehovah's Witness = Ringing doorbells well.

[Chernabog]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

You're right...no more than YOU can possibly comprehend what it's like to continually through adolescence have your sexuality wrongly assailed.

I'm Jewish, trust me, I'm well versed in what it's like to be the target of bigotry.

Go ahead and tell Billy Lucas's parents (thanks GC) that, really, Billy shouldn't have been whining, he had no idea what REAL persecution is.

Are you confusing being BULLIED for being gay versus just "being gay"? I mean, it's always slightly awkward when clients ask me if I'm married (granted, they're usually the elderly ones with no gaydar), but I just say no and shrug it off. I'm pretty confident in my sexuality so who gives a flying poobah. Plus, they aren't bullying me about it.

I know swishy men who are straight but they're confident in their sexuality so it doesn't bug them what other people think.

Unfortunately, teens aren't confident about much of anything (hence the "it gets better" campaign). Did Billy Lucas kill himself because he was perceived as gay, or because he was a) bullied because of that perception and/or b) self-loathing because of all the religious hatred? If there's no problem with being gay, who cares how you are perceived? Is it the difference between being a little annoyed and being "assailed" due to perceived sexuality?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Well... Whatever makes you happy.

Exactly, next time if you just remember that if you disagree with me then you are wrong, it will save you a lot of time and effort.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Alex

Exactly, next time if you just remember that if you disagree with me then you are wrong, it will save you a lot of time and effort.

You know, there is another word for that.