Lost! [Archive] - Lounge of Tomorrow

scaeagles

05-26-2005, 08:08 AM

Been completely hooked on it all season. It is the one show weekly I gotta see.

So many things have happened, it's hard to tell you anything as far as what we learned. I don't know what you know.

The french woman was apparently working with Ethan to kidnap Claire and take her baby. Do you know about Ethan? Did you know about the French woman? Too hard to talk about about what's been resolved without knowing what you know.

Specifically, regarding the monster, we were supposedly shown a small piece of it last night, but I kept rewinding my tape and couldn't figure out what I was seeing.

BarTopDancer

05-26-2005, 08:41 AM

Scaeagles~
I heard the glimpse of the 'monster' was when Hurley was looking at the comic book on the plane... it showed the polar bear..

Before I heard that I was thinking the glimpse was the shadow spirit thingie that was around when Locke was being pulled down the hole

Rest of my thoughts in spoilers

OMG!!!!! This is how flashbacks should be done. Short and to the point. Poor Jin!!! That guy in the bathroom.... You can tell Jin never signed on for this when he married Sun.

I cannot believe that Artz just exploded! Was it the dynamite or spontanious combustion? I missed it.

SHARRRRRK anyone? I had a feeling the rescue boat wasn't that. They were only 15 miles out, wouldn't a ship in a shipping lane have noticed the island before? I wonder how long The Others have been on the island and how they are tracking them. And why they only want boys. Are they scouts for Michael Jackson? Are they living in Neverland?? 15 miles is a loooong swim back to shore.

WTF was that spirit ghost thingie??? Could that be the monster? What did Locke see? I'm not sure the monster is a polar bear. I'm thinking it could be some sort of super-human with some sort of pure energy strength/weapon to take down the trees. Or the monster could be that spirit ghost thingie.

Kevin & Bean were bitching about the ending.... it being a ladder... I'm thinking... A ladder to where!?!?! What is down that hatch!!!!!!!!!!!!

So much more than this happened. My VCR shut off in the middle of taping it. I really need TiVO!

scaeagles

05-26-2005, 09:10 AM

Bartop -

Bummer about the VCR. I've gotta watch this thing a few more times prior to next season. I heard ABC is replaying it Saturday night.

What did you think would happen with the hatch? They can't give everything away! Should be fun when they go down it next season. I'll be a bit miffed if they go down the hole and find an impentrable door. I expect some payoff with the hatch early on next season.

So I guess Ethan was in league with Danielle? Since "the others" don't want the baby, they want Walt, I'm figuring Ethan wasn't with the others.

BarTopDancer

05-26-2005, 09:35 AM

Bartop -

Bummer about the VCR. I've gotta watch this thing a few more times prior to next season. I heard ABC is replaying it Saturday night.

I'll have to try and tape it so I can re-watch it. Thanks!

What did you think would happen with the hatch? They can't give everything away! Should be fun when they go down it next season. I'll be a bit miffed if they go down the hole and find an impentrable door. I expect some payoff with the hatch early on next season.

I love that they showed a ladder! I want to know what's down there!! I think just opening it, showing them looking down would have been horrible. At least we know that there aren't a ton of bodies...right at the top.... There better be payoff for the hatch at the beginning of the season. I think too many open story lines is a receipe for disaster.

So I guess Ethan was in league with Danielle? Since "the others" don't want the baby, they want Walt, I'm figuring Ethan wasn't with the others.

Perhaps Ethan was kidnapping the baby to give to Danielle to give to The Others. Or maybe Ethan is one of The Others, as is Danielle. It wouldn't suprise me to find out she is one of The Others. I wonder if they want Walt because he is 'special'.

scaeagles

05-26-2005, 10:00 AM

Perhaps Ethan was kidnapping the baby to give to Danielle to give to The Others. Or maybe Ethan is one of The Others, as is Danielle. It wouldn't suprise me to find out she is one of The Others. I wonder if they want Walt because he is 'special'.

Perhaps.

It could be that the whole kidnap the baby thing was a red herring to throw the survivors off of who the others really wanted.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

05-26-2005, 10:03 AM

I friggin' loved the finale.

There seems to be some sort of biomechanical defense system at work. And a large Underground...world? Something? What?!

Walt!!!!!!!!

SacTown Chronic

05-26-2005, 10:06 AM

I can't find my car keys. I hope this lost thread can help me.

Found 'em. They were in my pocket. This lost thread really works!

BarTopDancer

05-26-2005, 10:46 AM

Perhaps.

It could be that the whole kidnap the baby thing was a red herring to throw the survivors off of who the others really wanted.

Good point! I didn't think of that. Danielle is totally off her rocker... but being on that island for 16 years would remove quite a few cards from most peoples decks. I think she really wanted to trade. I'm glad she gave the baby to Sayid (yum) but I don't think that will be the last time the baby is in harms way

Tref

05-26-2005, 12:22 PM

I missed the whole season but I shall watch the show in re-runs

Comb. Loose change. Dog hair.

cstephens

05-26-2005, 12:42 PM

My thoughts on the finale:

I've been referring to the monster as Godzilla. With the mechanical sounds it was making last night, I turned to my husband and said that no, it was instead apparently MechaGodzilla. I loved Hurley's line about the "island's security system that eats people".

I actually applauded when Artz got blown up, though I missed the actual blowing up shot. After he had wrapped the stick and was saying how dangerous it was, I looked away for a second...and heard "Kaboom". He was really annoying. I loved the glazed-over look on Hurley's face when they were waiting outside the ship for John, Jack and Kate.

When the blip came on the raft's radar, I was thinking it wasn't a good thing. When Danielle said they were coming for "the boy", I figured they meant Walt, not Claire's baby.

I figured that Charlie did already take the heroin. He was so tired and having a hard time keeping up with Sayid. And then after they visited the plane, he didn't seem to have trouble keeping up with him.

Someone on another board posited a theory that everyone was there because they were doing something wrong. Sun actually did bring up the point of whether they were being punished, which Shannon considered but Claire rejected.

I really enjoyed the show last night. Answered some questions, left others that you're waiting to see what happens.

Non-show related things - has anyone heard Naveen Andrews speak in real life? He was on a local radio show earlier this week, which I missed, but he apparently has a fairly thick British accent, nothing like what he sounds like on "Lost" or "Bride and Prejudice". Also, in listening to another radio show this week, I found out that the guy who played Ethan (the guy who kidnapped Claire and who Charlie killed) is Tom Cruise's cousin.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

05-26-2005, 02:32 PM

Tom Cruise's cousin looks like a melting Tom Cruise candle.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

05-26-2005, 02:38 PM

Some theories about the Island.

The island IS alive, as believed by Locke. And it does have a reason for calling them in. If true, are the pirates who kidnap children (this time Walt) part of the Island, or are they a threat to the island. Maybe the survivors are meant to protect it. Or maybe it's EVIIIIIIIIIIIIL. Like the creepy pirates. As soon as those dudes showed up, and we got a look at them, I thought, "Oh, poor Losters, you just wasted your flare on the WRONG people."

God, I love it when Sawyer takes off his shirt. I theorize that he takes of his shirt alot because the writers enjoy seeing him shirtless as much as I do.

Another theory is that they are all in Limbo, and until they make amends for past misdeeds, etc., they're trapped. Boone was "released" (died) when he made peace after he had done something selfless to help his fellow Losters, and had made peace with himself.

Granted, the poor dude who blew himself up? What kind of peace did he have? I liked him, even thoug he was annoying, because he was the voice of the audience: Why are YOU pretty people the only survivors we see? You're not the only talent on this island! Why are you still fat, Hurley?!"

I really like that the castaways are starting to ask each other why it's all happening, though.

And I REALLY want to know what the hell those numbers are.

Maybe the Island is a sentient spaceship.

Maybe it's in another dimension.

Maybe the Losters are dead people walking.

There does seem to be some sort of Underground World beneath the island, though. Awesome.

And the invisible monster Tremor worm that sounded like a mechanical godzilla was pretty cool.

I wonder what Walt will manifest when he's off with the creepy pirates. He should manifest another polar bear to eat them all. Or he should manifest Nightcrawler, so that Nightcrawler can BAMF Walt the fvck outta there.

BarTopDancer

05-26-2005, 05:52 PM

I found this link. (http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm) Apparently if you click on the 'numbers' in order it opens up a preview for season 2.

This site is supposed to be full of hidden info about the show.

cstephens

05-26-2005, 06:12 PM

As soon as those dudes showed up, and we got a look at them, I thought, "Oh, poor Losters, you just wasted your flare on the WRONG people."

...

Maybe the Losters are dead people walking.

Am I the only one who keeps reading that word as "lobsters"? :)

libraryvixen

05-26-2005, 07:49 PM

Am I the only one who keeps reading that word as "lobsters"? :)

No... I keep thinking of drawn butter.

Yeah, I was so miffed when they took the boy (I'm not an avid Lost watcher). He gave away his dog and now he's with some sex smugglers :(

SusieP.

05-26-2005, 09:32 PM

I'm thinking that everyone on the plane willed that plane to crash. That they all, for a brief second, had the thought that the only way out of their situation was to die and their collective thoughts made the plane go down. They were all in various desperate situations, like it would be easier for Charlie just to kill himself or whatever than to get off heroin. Or for Claire, rather than having the demon baby. Or for Locke, who couldn't walk at that point. Etc, etc.

I'm gonna have to watch it again. I was not surprised when Artz blew up. While he was talking to Hurley I was thinking, I bet they introduced this guy so they could kill him off...and BOOM! He was gone.

SusieP.

05-26-2005, 09:33 PM

Tom Cruise's cousin looks like a melting Tom Cruise candle.

Awww, sad but true!

Good call, as usual. :snap:

BarTopDancer

05-26-2005, 10:30 PM

Some theories about the Island.

The island IS alive, as believed by Locke. And it does have a reason for calling them in. If true, are the pirates who kidnap children (this time Walt) part of the Island, or are they a threat to the island.

They DO look like pirates and I think they came from the Black Rock. Now how did the Black Rock get there? Of course a tusanmi is the logical answer, but I predict it is not the correct answer.

Maybe the survivors are meant to protect it. Or maybe it's EVIIIIIIIIIIIIL. Like the creepy pirates. As soon as those dudes showed up, and we got a look at them, I thought, "Oh, poor Losters, you just wasted your flare on the WRONG people."

MMMM Lobster... Oh wait, you said Losters.
Season 2 preview spoilerThe easter egg preview on that link I put up earlier says "They are not the Survivors they think they are... whatever that means

God, I love it when Sawyer takes off his shirt. I theorize that he takes of his shirt alot because the writers enjoy seeing him shirtless as much as I do.

OH YUMMMMMMMMMM!!!! I had him as my desktop wallpaper until my boss deemed him not work appropriate. :(

Another theory is that they are all in Limbo, and until they make amends for past misdeeds, etc., they're trapped. Boone was "released" (died) when he made peace after he had done something selfless to help his fellow Losters, and had made peace with himself.

OOO that's a new theory. I like it! The producers already said they wern't in hell

Granted, the poor dude who blew himself up? What kind of peace did he have? I liked him, even thoug he was annoying, because he was the voice of the audience: Why are YOU pretty people the only survivors we see? You're not the only talent on this island! Why are you still fat, Hurley?!"

I heard he will be back next season, as will Boone. I don't think people die on the island. I don't think Ethan is dead and I'm not so sure the other people who are dead will stay that way

There does seem to be some sort of Underground World beneath the island, though. Awesome.

Totally! I think that The Others live in the underground society and they can be heard above ground through some ventillation system.

Other thoughts:

Everything and everyone is interconnected. Every prop is there for a reason. Interconnections: Michael & Walt, Charlie and Hurley were all at the same hotel. Sawyer met Charlies dad in Australia. Hurley was on the TV screen when Jin was roughing up the family. I know there are more, I can't think of them at this hour.

Is there any chance we can get the title of the thread to say "Spoilers" So we can stop with the tags? Thanks!

Gn2Dlnd

05-27-2005, 02:41 AM

Kels

05-27-2005, 07:31 AM

Season 2 preview spoilerThe easter egg preview on that link I put up earlier says "They are not the Survivors they think they are... whatever that means
[/spoiler]

BarTopDancer ~ How did you find it?

BarTopDancer

05-27-2005, 08:44 AM

BarTopDancer ~ How did you find it?

Click on the seat numbers in order. I'm not sure if it was my connection or the file but it had to keep caching up.

Also if you click around you can find where the Losters were seated and information about them. The seats will highlight and then you can click on them. When I clicked on Lockes seat I jumped out of mine :eek:. I couldn't find a way to view seats when they wern't highlighted.

With exploration of the site you can find some of the letters that were in bottles. I started finding them at the bottom of the source when I did view source.

There's all sorts of stuff on that site, I know I haven't touched even the beginning.

Gn2Dlnd

06-01-2005, 11:16 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/gn2dlnd/nomapinguari.jpg

Gn2Dlnd

06-01-2005, 11:18 PM

Robert D. West, of Santa Barbara, California, USA survived a horrific plane crash and is stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to parents, Mr. and Mrs. John West, of Tucson Arizona. Thank you.

Robert

wendybeth

06-01-2005, 11:22 PM

Argh!!!! I do not watch 'Lost', but I've a feeling if I did, your above post would really mean something. To that end, I'm feeling mojacious.....

Well, I would be, if I wasn't being told to spread it around....

I'll be back.

Jazzman

06-02-2005, 12:27 AM

Does that say "Charlie tears ass through the jungle?"

If it does, that's AWESOME! And hilarious! No wonder the show is so great, if that's the script cues! :D

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

06-02-2005, 11:11 AM

[QUOTE=BarTopDancer]

Totally! I think that The Others live in the underground society and they can be heard above ground through some ventillation system.

That's awesome, M. Great post/thoughts.

Re: people who will be returning next season who supposedly died this season, I think it might be that they'll appear in flashbacks. I'm not sure it means they aren't actually dead.

scaeagles

06-02-2005, 11:56 AM

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

06-02-2005, 12:34 PM

BIG SPOILER! Do not read unless you want a HUGE spoiler.

I read that one of the regular males - though they have not announced who - wanted more money than they were willing to pay, so he will be killed off in one of the first two or three episodes next year and will not even appear in anymore flashbacks.

Personally, with the cult popularity of the show, I can't think of anything more stupid for an actor than to demand more money on a show that you know you can be killed off of at any time. Why not build your career?

Locke? Jack? Sawyer? Hurley? Charlie? Jin? Walt? Michael? I would miss any of them. That sucks!

I read this, too. Supposedly Abrams discussed it. I would look at the actors who have had film careers. Most notably, these days, is the actor playing Sayid. The actor playing Locke has also had a film career, though not so much of late, so he may be very grateful to be where he’s at. The actor playing Michael has had a very small film career, but maybe he’s getting greedy. Jin was in Crash, but has mostly been guest starring on television, so being a regular probably suits him just fine. The hobbit was depressed after not working hardly at all after Lord of the Rings, so he's probably pleased as punch to be a regular on a series.

I really hope Sayid isn’t a goner, but I’d almost have to guess it’s him if the rumor is true. If LOST is conflicting with movie offers, and an actor has had to turn down parts, he'd probably demand a much higher salary, or he'd prefer to go on to what he considers to be bigger and better things in film.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

06-02-2005, 12:40 PM

BarTopDancer

06-03-2005, 01:15 PM

I read this, too. Supposedly Abrams discussed it. I would look at the actors who have had film careers. Most notably, these days, is the actor playing Sayid. The actor playing Locke has also had a film career, though not so much of late, so he may be very grateful to be where he’s at. The actor playing Michael has had a very small film career, but maybe he’s getting greedy. Jin was in Crash, but has mostly been guest starring on television, so being a regular probably suits him just fine. The hobbit was depressed after not working hardly at all after Lord of the Rings, so he's probably pleased as punch to be a regular on a series.

I really hope Sayid isn’t a goner, but I’d almost have to guess it’s him if the rumor is true. If LOST is conflicting with movie offers, and an actor has had to turn down parts, he'd probably demand a much higher salary, or he'd prefer to go on to what he considers to be bigger and better things in film.

I was thinking it was Boone, then I read that he was NOT a happy camper about being killed off. Maybe they'll bring him back as one of the Others.

I hope it isn't Syaid or Sawyer. I could melt in their eyes........

Reply to EH re: her reply to me.
I'm sure people who died this season will appear in flashbacks... But I don't think that some of those who have died are dead. I think this island is very bizarre and powerful/magical and some of those who are dead aren't. I'm thinking that somewhere in the show there will be a showdown with The Others and some of their own will have become The Others.

Prudence

06-03-2005, 03:09 PM

Gn2Dlnd

06-03-2005, 03:16 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/gn2dlnd/nelson_ha_ha.jpg

Ha-ha!

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

06-03-2005, 03:36 PM

I have no spoilers. But Wednesday night I was sitting around not tired yet and the first episode came on in re-run and it's ALL YOUR FAULT that I watched it, my husband watched it, and now it's like some horrible drug and we need more.

Damn you all!

Dammit, I still haven't seen the pilot. I didn't realize they were reairing episodes. Rerun schedules are so screwy these days.

Hurry up and come out on DVD, LOST!

scaeagles

06-03-2005, 03:40 PM

I typically don't enjoy watching reruns that I've seen, but this show is different. You pick up a lot of foreshadowing that you didn't see before because you know more about the characters, the island, etc.

Thoroughly enjoyed watching the pilot again.

mistyisjafo

06-03-2005, 03:45 PM

BarTopDancer

06-03-2005, 03:49 PM

Dammit, I still haven't seen the pilot. I didn't realize they were reairing episodes. Rerun schedules are so screwy these days.

Hurry up and come out on DVD, LOST!

I taped it. I can get it to you somehow if you want. I think the DVD comes out at the end of the month. Now we need a DVD player so we can watch LOST at the park. :D

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

06-03-2005, 03:52 PM

I taped it. I can get it to you somehow if you want. I think the DVD comes out at the end of the month. Now we need a DVD player so we can watch LOST at the park. :D

I got a portable player for Christmas. Heee.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

06-03-2005, 04:00 PM

The finale was so frustrating because I didn't feel I learned anything. In fact, I thought a lot of stuff was sort of pointless like Hurley's running through the airport. I feel like I'm watching X-Files all over again. Nothing ever gets resolved!! Which means I'll be waiting with baited breath for next season!

We did learn a couple of things:

1. There is, somewhere WAY below the island's surface, some kind of underground structure that is man made. And by the sounds of the "monster", it's at least partially mechanical. There's probably a community of people living there. And they're obviously not ape people, if they can build crazy machine monsters and...oh, whatever.

2. We learned that the French woman is crazy, but not so crazy that she was making up that crap about the smoke.

3. Michelle Rodriguez! And she'll probably be back, playing an important role next season.

4. Hurley running through the airport proves that he's always been able to haul ass despite his girth, and it's not just weird Island mojo giving him super powers....like Locke.

5. Sawyer looks really good tearing off his shirt and playing hero.

6. Jin looks very good kissing his wife.

7. Sayid looks very good running.

8. Charlie looks like a spaz when he runs.

9. Even on a mystical Island of What the Fvck, a junkie can find his fix.

10. Jack looks really hot when he's tearing up.

11. Kate is easily fooled for a seemingly street smart gal. Bait and switch, Kate! C'mon!!!!!

12. Some of the other survivors aren't stunningly beautiful, so Hurley is not alone. Not alone! (Personally, I think he's adorable, but he's no Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Jin, etc.)

13. Black Rock = pirate ship? Hurrah!

I read a review at TWOP that basically said, "What a great hour of television that would have been," so you're not the only one who thought it was a bit bloated.

cstephens

06-03-2005, 06:07 PM

I think the DVD comes out at the end of the month.

Actually, I believe the DVD is being released in early September.

BarTopDancer

06-03-2005, 09:26 PM

Thanks CStephens!

My friend sent me this (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/sawyer.php) for all you Sawyer fans.

Prudence

06-03-2005, 09:43 PM

And just when I'd gotten that damn llama song out of my head....

scaeagles

06-07-2005, 12:44 PM

OH - a spoiler on my previous big spoiler. Apparently the report was false and I have only just learned of the retraction.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

06-07-2005, 01:03 PM

God, I hate that we have to wait for DVDs in September. And new Lost. I want more Lost now.

I'll have to satisfy with this, instead.

http://cdn.channel.aol.com/channels/0f/00/42570186-002b9-0728e-400cb8e1

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

11-19-2008, 11:36 AM

Welcome back, LOST (http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/lost_y5_adart_vert_noabc.jpg)!

innerSpaceman

11-19-2008, 11:46 AM

scaeagles

11-19-2008, 11:57 AM

I'll still watch it when it airs, but am not as enthralled with it as I once was. Much more excited for 24.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

11-19-2008, 12:01 PM

Last season and the first have been my favorite seasons, thus far, so I'm very close to peeing my pants with excitement.

BarTopDancer

11-19-2008, 12:16 PM

I just started watching my TIVOed shows in anticipation.

Very excited.

bewitched

11-19-2008, 12:26 PM

I watch it on DVD a year after it airs ... but I can't remember when I last did. I don't remember if I saw Season 3 or not. Is this Season 4 that's starting?

I like the show, but I think it's Twin Peaks 2 with no idea of where it's going and certain to devolve (if it hasn't already) into unwatchable chaos.

So I want to watch, but I'm not compelled. Certainly not to watch it weekly "live." I just want to catch up. Have I fallen 2 seasons behind instead of 1??

It's season 5 that's starting in January.

SciFi is airing all of the back episodes in 4 episode blocks each Monday. This coming Monday will be season 2, episodes 16-19. They should be just about caught up to the new episodes by January 21st (the start of season 5).

JWBear

11-19-2008, 12:42 PM

Welcome back, LOST (http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/lost_y5_adart_vert_noabc.jpg)!

The question is: Does anybody care anymore?

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

11-19-2008, 12:44 PM

The question is: Does anybody care anymore?

I believe my enthusiasm indicates that I do, at least. Heh.

JWBear

11-19-2008, 12:45 PM

I meant the TV watching public in general.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

11-19-2008, 12:54 PM

I meant the TV watching public in general.

Each season loses viewers. According to Wiki, there were 13 million last season, in contrast to the 16 million watching the first season. Apparently it's pretty popular Internationally, but so is CSI: Miami. Again: heh.

Disneyphile

11-19-2008, 01:06 PM

Ken and I started watching it this summer via NetFlix. We just finished Season 3, and are now watching Season 4 online. We hope to be caught up in time for the Season 5 premiere in January. :)

We're totally addicted to it, so we absolutely share your enthusiasm, EH!

€uroMeinke

11-19-2008, 01:07 PM

Perhaps I should try the season 1 DVDs again. I think I got to episode 3

innerSpaceman

11-19-2008, 01:12 PM

I'm gonna try to catch up via Sci-Fi Mondays. Thanks, bewitched.

Now, if you would just send me a PM reminder every Monday, that might actually happen! :D

Stan4dSteph

11-19-2008, 01:13 PM

I believe my enthusiasm indicates that I do, at least. Heh.I do! I do! Pick me!

Ghoulish Delight

11-19-2008, 01:40 PM

Enthused!

BarTopDancer

11-19-2008, 02:04 PM

I think that as it wraps up it will become more popular. There was a period where it was hard to watch because it was so frustrating.

Gn2Dlnd

11-19-2008, 03:27 PM

The sci-fi channel is not in hi-def, which looks crappy on our tv.

bewitched

11-19-2008, 09:13 PM

Now, if you would just send me a PM reminder every Monday, that might actually happen! :D

I will endeavor to remember. :)

However...this is your weekly reminder for next Monday. I intend to be totally drugged up this coming Monday and am hoping that memory of all sorts is wiped from my mind.

Lost? What is this "Lost" you speak of?:D

bewitched

11-29-2008, 11:11 PM

I just discovered all 4 seasons are currently airing on ABC's website. No more waiting for Mondays!:D

(I've had a lot of free time on my hands lately...)

libraryvixen

11-30-2008, 09:38 AM

I can't wait for Lost to return! :)

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

12-16-2008, 12:02 PM

Ben and Jack = BFF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PvsM5Qm50A

Stan4dSteph

12-29-2008, 05:28 PM

Ajira Airways -- Destiny Calls (http://www.ajiraairways.com/home)

Cadaverous Pallor

12-30-2008, 12:25 AM

I think I just realized something about how I feel regarding internet tie-ins with TV shows and movies.

I don't care to visit a website, or see promo vids, or clues, or planted posts, or whathaveyou, before I have watched the show or movie. AFTER I see the actual entertainment in question I go check out websites, but beforehand, I'm just annoyed that I'm not watching the show already.

sleepyjeff

12-30-2008, 01:06 AM

While watching 24 hours of Ralphie I had it pointed out to me that Jack's Best Man didn't have yellow eyes anymore:)

BarTopDancer

01-14-2009, 11:01 AM

3 hours of Lost! tonight. It looks like it will be enhanced versions of the last 3 episodes.

Betty

01-14-2009, 11:52 AM

3 hours of Lost! tonight. It looks like it will be enhanced versions of the last 3 episodes.

bah. that means what? 10 seconds of show they should have shown last time? Or is this now with bubbles to explain the show as they go?

either way.. :rolleyes:

Gn2Dlnd

01-14-2009, 12:28 PM

Probably "pop-up Lost."

BTW, Sci-Fi channel has recently popped up in hi-def! Just in time for the last season of BSG, yay!

BarTopDancer

01-14-2009, 12:41 PM

bah. that means what? 10 seconds of show they should have shown last time? Or is this now with bubbles to explain the show as they go?

either way.. :rolleyes:

Pop-up Lost!

Since I'm not going to watch all of last season before next week I look at it as a good reminder of what happened with enhancements to point out things.

bewitched

01-14-2009, 07:11 PM

One week! :D

sleepyjeff

01-19-2009, 01:16 PM

Ran accross this poem by Yeats and didn't know where to post it; thought of putting it in open mic but it's not my poem; thought of putting it in Daily Grind but, well, that's not quite right either;

Seems to me it sorta fits here:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
--W.B. Yeats

sleepyjeff

01-21-2009, 11:47 AM

HAPPY LOST DAY EVERYONE!!!!

Monday.............one day
Tuesday............two day
Wednesday........Lost day
Thursday...........3rd day

:):):)

bewitched

01-21-2009, 10:22 PM

JWBear

01-22-2009, 12:12 AM

wow

lashbear

01-22-2009, 01:11 AM

*sigh*

sleepyjeff

01-22-2009, 01:15 AM

Anyone else throw their shoe at the TV when Hurley, wanted by the Police and G-d knows who, decided the best place to hide out was home?
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To go with Ben or not?

1)Claire haunted Kate to NOT take Aaron back.

2)Sayid, who seemed to be doing Ben's bidding last season, told Hurley to not do anything Ben asked him to do.

3)Sun wants Ben dead.

And the most compelling reason to not go with Ben; 4)Jack has decided to go with Ben....Jack is rarely correct about anything;)

bewitched

01-22-2009, 01:40 AM

And the most compelling reason to not go with Ben; 4)Jack has decided to go with Ben....Jack is rarely correct about anything;)

But he's so hot....

Ghoulish Delight

01-22-2009, 08:35 AM

I'm blanking on who the lady at the end was. Was she the one that freaked Desmond out when he was back from the island that time?

scaeagles

01-22-2009, 08:52 AM

I believe she was. She worked in some store he had run into during some flashback or another, but I don't recall the details.

The lady in the butcher shop that Ben was talking to who took Locke's body....have we seen her before?

Ghoulish Delight

01-22-2009, 09:27 AM

She didn't look familiar.

BarTopDancer

01-22-2009, 09:49 AM

Ghoulish Delight

01-22-2009, 09:51 AM

Ben's in LA, that probably wasn't Oxford.

Gn2Dlnd

01-22-2009, 10:27 AM

Ben's in LA, that probably wasn't Oxford.

Ben and Butcher Shop Lady, L.A., Ben and Ms. Hawking, aka Presumably Faraday's Mother, Oxford. Ben does have ways of getting around.

Disneyphile

01-22-2009, 10:33 AM

BarTopDancer

01-22-2009, 10:50 AM

That's who we think it is. She looks exactly like the lady at the jewelry shop when he tried to buy a ring for Penelope.

That's HER!!!!!!

JWBear

01-22-2009, 10:58 AM

It's the same actress, so I assume it's the same character... But you never know with Lost!

Ghoulish Delight

01-22-2009, 11:29 AM

Well, I do recall jewelry lady making comments that implied that she was pretty much the one in charge, so that jives with what we saw yesterday.

sleepyjeff

01-22-2009, 12:24 PM

But he's so hot....

How can I argue with that;)

sleepyjeff

01-22-2009, 01:13 PM

I'm blanking on who the lady at the end was. Was she the one that freaked Desmond out when he was back from the island that time?

That's who we think it is. She looks exactly like the lady at the jewelry shop when he tried to buy a ring for Penelope.

That's HER!!!!!!

It's the same actress, so I assume it's the same character... But you never know with Lost!

It is the same actress and the same character:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking

Interestingly enough, this same actress played, back in 2001, an equally intriguing character in a movie titled.....you're not going to believe this.........The Others

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

01-23-2009, 04:38 PM

Ben and Butcher Shop Lady, L.A., Ben and Ms. Hawking, aka Presumably Faraday's Mother, Oxford. Ben does have ways of getting around.

She may also no longer be in Oxford. I think they're all being drawn to Los Angeles. If she's in L.A., Desmond will wind up there, as well.

SzczerbiakManiac

01-24-2009, 01:28 PM

2)Sayid, who seemed to be doing Ben's bidding last season, told Hurley to not do anything Ben asked him to do.Or more specifically, Sayid told Hurley to do the opposite of what Ben told him to do.

yeah, I know I am splitting hairs

Cadaverous Pallor

01-24-2009, 01:47 PM

Or more specifically, Sayid told Hurley to do the opposite of what Ben told him to do.

yeah, I know I am splitting hairsThat's not splitting hairs, it's actually an important point.

I don't blame Hurley at all on this. If Ben came for me, I'd run screaming.

sleepyjeff

01-24-2009, 04:26 PM

Or more specifically, Sayid told Hurley to do the opposite of what Ben told him to do.

yeah, I know I am splitting hairs

Very good point....although I am puzzled why he decided to ignore the advice of Ana-Lucia and turn himself into the police?

How is surrendering to the police the opposite of going with Ben anyway...wouldnt the opposite of going with Ben be staying put?

bewitched

01-24-2009, 04:35 PM

Very good point....although I am puzzled why he decided to ignore the advice of Ana-Lucia and turn himself into the police?

How is surrendering to the police the opposite of going with Ben anyway...wouldnt the opposite of going with Ben be staying put?

But for some reason, when Hurley takes stupid risks/acts (seemingly) irrationally, it usually works out well.

Ghoulish Delight

01-24-2009, 05:01 PM

Very good point....although I am puzzled why he decided to ignore the advice of Ana-Lucia and turn himself into the police?He's regularly ignored his visions of dead people.

How is surrendering to the police the opposite of going with Ben anyway...wouldnt the opposite of going with Ben be staying put?
True, but then Hurley seems to find comfort in being locked up.

sleepyjeff

01-24-2009, 07:55 PM

But for some reason, when Hurley takes stupid risks/acts (seemingly) irrationally, it usually works out well.

True, but then Hurley seems to find comfort in being locked up.

I guess after seeing the look on Ben's face when Ms. Hawking told him he had 70 hours Hurley turining himself into the police may have just been the opposite of what Ben wanted regardless whether or not it was the opposite of what he said.

Although, with Ben, one never knows....after all, he told Locke not to blow up the submarine in order to get Locke to blow up the submarine;)

Cadaverous Pallor

01-25-2009, 03:05 PM

alphabassettgrrl

01-25-2009, 04:50 PM

At least Lost is still weird.

sleepyjeff

01-25-2009, 09:20 PM

bewitched

01-30-2009, 10:22 PM

Now I'm just confused. WTF is up with all of he Charlies? I know the one on the island in the 1950s was young Charles Widmore but who is Penny and Desmond's Charlie? Which also makes me wonder who the crash survivor's Charlie really was (is) (and now I'm wondering about the chance meeting they had when Desmond was in London looking for Daniel).

Disneyphile

01-30-2009, 11:11 PM

I think Penny and Desmond named their son after Charlie, since Desmond was there during Charlie's sacrifice in the underwater station.

scaeagles

01-31-2009, 11:16 AM

That's what I thought.

Fun to see Widmore on the Island of the Past.

I actually think what Ben does expression wise is good. My reasoning is that he's always in control and tries to maintain that appearance. When Hurley ran out to the police, he tried to maintain the look, but I think he did a good job of having just a tinge of panic in his expression - like he was trying to hide it and just couldn't quite do it.

BarTopDancer

01-31-2009, 11:21 AM

I'm blanking on who the lady at the end was. Was she the one that freaked Desmond out when he was back from the island that time?

Maybe. I can't remember either.

Goatee dude told Desmond to go find his mom in Oxford. Maybe that's his mom?

Ben and Butcher Shop Lady, L.A., Ben and Ms. Hawking, aka Presumably Faraday's Mother, Oxford. Ben does have ways of getting around.

That's who we think it is. She looks exactly like the lady at the jewelry shop when he tried to buy a ring for Penelope.

She may also no longer be in Oxford. I think they're all being drawn to Los Angeles. If she's in L.A., Desmond will wind up there, as well.

Now I'm just confused. WTF is up with all of he Charlies? I know the one on the island in the 1950s was young Charles Widmore but who is Penny and Desmond's Charlie? Which also makes me wonder who the crash survivor's Charlie really was (is) (and now I'm wondering about the chance meeting they had when Desmond was in London looking for Daniel).

I think Penny and Desmond named their Charlie after Charlie, who I believe was who he said he was.

I also don't think that the meeting between Desmond and Widmore in London was by chance... and I think we're going to see that Daniel's mother is the same woman who sold Desmond the engagement ring... and that she was in Oxford but is now in LA.

RStar

01-31-2009, 12:12 PM

Ben's face looks the same no matter what is happening, and even if it does register some supposed shock or happiness, he has flipped things on their head so many times that you can't measure anything by it.

IMHO it really hurts the show.

But it's also what makes him such a good villan. He freaks people out by having the uncomfortable lack of readable body language.

Kinda like a ZOMBIE!! :eek:

bewitched

01-31-2009, 04:15 PM

I think Penny and Desmond named their son after Charlie, since Desmond was there during Charlie's sacrifice in the underwater station.

That's what I thought but now I'm wondering if maybe little Charlie will actually turn out to be big Charlie.

Coincidences just never end up being coincidences on Lost. And seemingly logical conclusions usually end up being anything but.

lashbear

01-31-2009, 04:20 PM

Isn't Desmond too young to be Charlie Guitar's Dad ?

bewitched

01-31-2009, 07:39 PM

Isn't Desmond too young to be Charlie Guitar's Dad ?

In real time, yes. In Lost time...nope.

bewitched

01-31-2009, 07:40 PM

But it's also what makes him such a good villan. He freaks people out by having the uncomfortable lack of readable body language.

Kinda like a ZOMBIE!! :eek:

I agree. I think Ben is the perfect villain.

Cadaverous Pallor

02-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Isn't Desmond too young to be Charlie Guitar's Dad ?Hey, shouldn't you be avoiding this thread? Are you guys getting the new season the same time we are?

sleepyjeff

02-02-2009, 05:14 PM

That's what I thought but now I'm wondering if maybe little Charlie will actually turn out to be big Charlie.

Coincidences just never end up being coincidences on Lost. And seemingly logical conclusions usually end up being anything but.

Might be something to that.....recall back to season 1 in the episode titled White Rabbit?

Charlie, out of breath, came running up to Jack to inform that a woman was drowning out in the ocean.....he told Jack that he could not swim.

Yet later on:

He lists, as one of the top 10 moments of his life, his father(who wasn't Desmond btw)* teaching him how to swim.

He has no problem swimming down to the underwater station.

Maybe what we are viewing of our Islanders is not a single Time-line but several.....which would not only explain how Charlie could Swim in Season 3 but not in Season 1. It could explain lots of things actually; like how the sound of the smoke monster seems familier to Rose or how Sawyer, after getting back from Prison Island had no recollection of Nikki and Paulo.

*Although, it has been reported that just before Charlie leaps into the pool a childs voice can be heard in the background saying "C'mon Desmond, C'mon".....don't know if that means anything or not

Cadaverous Pallor

02-02-2009, 08:18 PM

I'll have to remember that if I ever write plot holes into my stories I can blame it on "several time-lines".

bewitched

02-02-2009, 08:34 PM

Might be something to that.....recall back to season 1 in the episode titled White Rabbit?

Charlie, out of breath, came running up to Jack to inform that a woman was drowning out in the ocean.....he told Jack that he could not swim.

Yet later on:

He lists, as one of the top 10 moments of his life, his father(who wasn't Desmond btw)* teaching him how to swim.

He has no problem swimming down to the underwater station.

Maybe what we are viewing of our Islanders is not a single Time-line but several.....which would not only explain how Charlie could Swim in Season 3 but not in Season 1. It could explain lots of things actually; like how the sound of the smoke monster seems familier to Rose or how Sawyer, after getting back from Prison Island had no recollection of Nikki and Paulo.

*Although, it has been reported that just before Charlie leaps into the pool a childs voice can be heard in the background saying "C'mon Desmond, C'mon".....don't know if that means anything or not

I do remember that episode but I didn't link A and B together. Intriguing.

Charlie's "father" (i.e. who he grew up knowing as his father) might not be his real father at all.

I'm wondering when it will click for Jack that Aaron is his nephew.

Who is the chick "Ellie" that held the gun on Daniel (when he was going to disarm the bomb) that he kept saying looked very familiar?

SzczerbiakManiac

02-03-2009, 11:44 AM

I'm wondering when it will click for Jack that Aaron is his nephew.I think it's been established in the flash-forwards that Jack knows Claire is his half-sister, so I'm pretty sure he knows Aaron is his nephew.

sleepyjeff

02-03-2009, 03:46 PM

Charlie's "father" (i.e. who he grew up knowing as his father) might not be his real father at all.

Maybe......it turned out Kate's step-father was her biological father and her real dad was just some guy......so who knows;)

Who is the chick "Ellie" that held the gun on Daniel (when he was going to disarm the bomb) that he kept saying looked very familiar?

His mom I bet:eek:

Ghoulish Delight

02-03-2009, 03:49 PM

His mom I bet:eek:
Farday's his own dad! Faraday's his own dad!

sleepyjeff

02-03-2009, 03:59 PM

I'll have to remember that if I ever write plot holes into my stories I can blame it on "several time-lines".

May not be safe for work(F-word is shouted towards the beginning, otherwise it' ok)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk6AyGnnltw&feature=related

sleepyjeff

02-03-2009, 03:59 PM

Farday's his own dad! Faraday's his own dad!

:eek:

Betty

02-03-2009, 04:06 PM

:eek:

I'm my own Grandpa... Iiiiii'm my own Grandpa

Cadaverous Pallor

02-03-2009, 07:49 PM

May not be safe for work(F-word is shouted towards the beginning, otherwise it' ok)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk6AyGnnltw&feature=relatedYeah, pretty much. :)

bewitched

02-03-2009, 09:57 PM

I think it's been established in the flash-forwards that Jack knows Claire is his half-sister, so I'm pretty sure he knows Aaron is his nephew.

He learned it when they first got back at his father's funeral. Well, he learned he had a half sister on the same flight named Claire. He seemingly hasn't figured it out yet or I would guess he would have used it against Kate when she refused to see him/go back to the island.

bewitched

02-03-2009, 09:57 PM

Farday's his own dad! Faraday's his own dad!

Well, that would be freaky. Even for Lost. :eek:

BarTopDancer

02-03-2009, 10:16 PM

Who is the chick "Ellie" that held the gun on Daniel (when he was going to disarm the bomb) that he kept saying looked very familiar?

The woman in the coma?

bewitched

02-03-2009, 10:25 PM

The woman in the coma?

That's better than my guess of, "no fvcking clue." ;)

bewitched

02-04-2009, 09:54 PM

I think Ben is trying to force Kate's hand (so she feels like the only option is to return to the island) by making her think someone has a claim to Aaron.

I'm intrigued that Sawyer calls Juliet by her name rather than using a nickname.

Apparently Jack does have a clue about Aaron being his nephew.

BarTopDancer

02-04-2009, 11:05 PM

Holy crap!

sleepyjeff

02-05-2009, 12:15 AM

The woman in the coma?

I think it's Charlotte, the woman he said he was in love with, with all of the nose bleeds.

Ghoulish Delight

02-05-2009, 09:32 PM

I think it's Charlotte, the woman he said he was in love with, with all of the nose bleeds.
Interesting, especially taking into account the whole "Are you sure you have only been on the island for a short time?" exchange with freaky Asian dude.

I had a guess as to who was asking for the blood tests. My guess was Jack, being someone with a legitimate familial claim, and wanting leverage to get her to the Island. So it turned out to be Ben for the same reason, I wasn't too far off.

CoasterMatt

02-05-2009, 09:50 PM

I've got a theory.

It was the one armed man.

BarTopDancer

02-05-2009, 09:55 PM

I've got a theory.

It was the one armed man.

Mrs. Qlue (whatever happened to her, that group and the children anyway??) in the kitchen with the knife.

sleepyjeff

02-06-2009, 11:54 AM

In last weeks show Juliet was speaking Latin with the other captives....turns out all "others" speak the ancient language.

She said Ricardus for Richard........which got me thinking; what's the latin word for Jack?

BarTopDancer

02-06-2009, 12:14 PM

I didn't come up with this theory...

Maybe Miles is the baby shown in the premier. He isn't having nosebleeds and Daniel asked if he was sure he hadn't been on the island before.

sleepyjeff

02-06-2009, 12:20 PM

I didn't come up with this theory...

Maybe Miles is the baby shown in the premier. He isn't having nosebleeds and Daniel asked if he was sure he hadn't been on the island before.

Well, I like the idea that he might be the baby shown in the Premiere(in fact, I think there is a good chance he is since at this point in the series, with only one more season to go, they should not be introducing too many more new characters) but he Did have a nosebleed.........but that actually proves your point. Had he not had any nose bleeds than he'd be less likely to have been the baby don't you think?

BarTopDancer

02-06-2009, 12:32 PM

Ya, you're right about the nosebleed.

JWBear

02-06-2009, 01:00 PM

How much do you want to bet that Richard has only four toes on each foot?

sleepyjeff

02-06-2009, 01:13 PM

How much do you want to bet that Richard has only four toes on each foot?

I'll take that bet:

If he does, I will post a 150 word essay on why I love Obama in the Grind....if he doesn't you got to post a 150 word essay on why Newt should be our next President;)

All kidding aside, I still think one of the 815'ers will lose a toe before the end of this season.

Perhaps Locke will lose it sometime while Jack and Ben are playing weekend at Bernies with his body:D

JWBear

02-06-2009, 01:36 PM

sleepyjeff

02-06-2009, 02:00 PM

I'm totally serious. I think he’s a member (perhaps the last surviving one) of the island’s original four toed inhabitants. Here's why:

It’s been confirmed now that Richard is very old – perhaps immortal. None of the rest of the “others” has shown that trait.

He seems more connected to the island than even Ben or John.

He’s given a great deal deference by the rest of the “others” – including even Ben. Hell, sometimes Ben seems to be in awe of him.

That's mostly true except Ben never seemed to give him all that much deference though. On more than a few occasions he was barking orders at Richard...in fact, he showed more respect to Jack than he did to Richard imho.

Also, a young Widmore didn't seem too keen on following direct orders given to him by Richard(when told to put the gun down, Richard had to physically remove the gun from the immature Other).

SzczerbiakManiac

02-06-2009, 02:13 PM

Ben seems to be in awe of him.Well, he is freakin' hot!

I have lusted after Nestor Carbonell since I first saw him on Suddenly Susan.

scaeagles

02-12-2009, 08:57 AM

Don't really know what to say except that next week looks like it'll be fun!

Cadaverous Pallor

02-12-2009, 09:07 AM

Dude, Jin and Danielle, how awesome was that?!

I'd forgotten about the whole "sickness" thing, and seeing the guy point a gun at his wife and unborn child....yow. Perhaps they'd been converted to Others?

Makes me want to go back and find the moment when Danielle meets Jin in the first season. Seriously, after all that, she should recognize him.

Cadaverous Pallor

02-12-2009, 09:14 AM

For the first time, I decided to visit lostpedia without being linked there. Reading Danielle's page (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Danielle) it's amazing how many tiny loose ends I'd forgotten about, and how they did refer to things she said in the first season with this 1988 flashback.

Ghoulish Delight

02-12-2009, 09:31 AM

So now I'm guessing that the "Other" woman in the 40s that Daniel said looked familiar is Charolette's mom.

BarTopDancer

02-12-2009, 09:42 AM

I also don't think that the meeting between Desmond and Widmore in London was by chance... and I think we're going to see that Daniel's mother is the same woman who sold Desmond the engagement ring... and that she was in Oxford but is now in LA.

I was right, I was right! YAY! (It's so rare that I'm right when it comes to this show, it's a wee bit exciting ;) )

Some random thoughts...

We know that Ben had contained Smoky in their camp.
What is this "temple" that Robert was referring to that smoky is the security system for? I wonder if Locke is "sick" as well, after his encounter with Smoky.

Cadaverous Pallor

02-12-2009, 12:21 PM

Locke still wouldn't shoot a pregnant woman...would he??

Ghoulish Delight

02-12-2009, 12:24 PM

I love how they got around Locke's promise to Jin. Hooray loopholes!

Odd that Rousseau never seems to recognize Jin in "present day". But then, I suppose The Crazy could be to blame for that. Or maybe they'll come up with something in a later episode to explain it (maybe she runs into C-3PO).

BarTopDancer

02-12-2009, 12:26 PM

Odd that Rousseau never seems to recognize Jin in "present day". But then, I suppose The Crazy could be to blame for that. Or maybe they'll come up with something in a later episode to explain it (maybe she runs into C-3PO).

Or the Haitian.

BarTopDancer

02-12-2009, 08:46 PM

"He's Korean, I'm from Encino."

Still cracks me up.

bewitched

02-13-2009, 01:43 AM

I also don't think that the meeting between Desmond and Widmore in London was by chance... and I think we're going to see that Daniel's mother is the same woman who sold Desmond the engagement ring... and that she was in Oxford but is now in LA.

Who is the chick "Ellie" that held the gun on Daniel (when he was going to disarm the bomb) that he kept saying looked very familiar?

So now I'm guessing that the "Other" woman in the 40s that Daniel said looked familiar is Charolette's mom.

OMG, Ellie is Daniel's mom, Eloise Hawking (pre-Ben)! That's why Daniel said his mother can help save Charlotte-- because she knows how to find the island. Holy crap this gets confusing...I love it!

I think that also points to what JWB was getting at, I think Richard is the puppet master (since he controlled the "Others" when Eloise was there and obviously, IMO, is the one who carries the secrets of the island, like how to get on and off of it).

Right now, my 2 candidates for Jacob are Richard or Jack.

On another note, something that's been bothering me...

We were told (more or less) that Oceanic 815 was brought down because of the magnetic field generated when Desmond was late punching in the numbers at the Swan station, right? BUT, obviously, there was some reason that flight was brought down otherwise, what with all of the people linked together and with the island....So, which is it? Or was that just a plot device that had no real meaning (which doesn't happen very often on Lost)? I mean, if the island wanted them all there, couldn't it have just made the plane crash (like by generating a magnetic field on it's own without needing the intercession of a human)?

bewitched

02-13-2009, 09:03 AM

I've been wondering a lot more about Daniel (not sleeping+obsessing). He's an original other, i.e. his mother was there before Dharma ever was and didn't Charlotte say that the man who told her never to come back was old (before she said it was him)? Also, Daniel has to be much older (if indeed Ellie and Eloise are the same people). If the flash to the bomb was, say, 1945, Ellie was about 25ish? Daniel would likely have been born before she was forty, so 1960 or so. He would have to be about 45 or 50. I don't know what, or if this means anything though.

I also think that "original" others can come and go as they please and time jump without ill effect but I wonder if they shift between "times" instead of actually traveling. In other words, they are making parallel time jumps when they appear in say, California, rather than linear ones. How else could they get off of the island and to the U.S. before outsiders came (like when Locke was a child)?

bewitched

02-13-2009, 09:32 AM

What is this "temple" that Robert was referring to that smoky is the security system for? I wonder if Locke is "sick" as well, after his encounter with Smoky.

Didn't Ben tell Danielle to take Alex "to the temple" in the episode where the mercenaries killed them? WTF is in that temple?

Also, how did Charlotte know to "look for the well" if the Lotus station wasn't there? Someone in the comments section on E! online that when Locke fell, the well closed up and Christian Shepard appeared, it was like Locke descended into Hades.

Which as an aside, someone else thought Christian Shepard's name was a description of Jesus.

BarTopDancer

02-13-2009, 09:33 AM

Richard doesn't age, I don't recall seeing any other "old" Others. What's to say Daniel is aging?

Maybe Ellie is also Charlotte's mother?

Pirate Bill

02-13-2009, 10:20 AM

Maybe Ellie is also Charlotte's mother?

Daniel and Charlotte could be twins separated at birth to protect them from Richard (who's really the father). Daniel was raised by his uncle on a moisture farm while his sister was raised by royalty on Alderaan.

Richard: Search your feelings Dan. You know it to be true.
Daniel: No! That's not true! That's impossible!

Whoa...sorry. Head rush.

I just watched it twice yesterday. Things are really fun this season.

Ghoulish Delight

02-13-2009, 12:14 PM

What if Whitmore is Daniel/Charolette's dad!

Cadaverous Pallor

02-13-2009, 04:48 PM

If the flash to the bomb was, say, 1945, Ellie was about 25ish? Richard told Locke the year, it was 1954.

bewitched

02-13-2009, 05:58 PM

Richard told Locke the year, it was 1954.

Then he'd have to be at least about 44. I dunno, I just think he's an "pure" Other, not a Mudblood.

sleepyjeff

02-15-2009, 04:09 PM

Right now, my 2 candidates for Jacob are Richard or Jack.

Jack.....remember Juliet speaking Latin? She called Richard, Ricardus. If Richard equals Ricardus then Jacob would equal Jacobus....or Jack-obus:eek:

On another note, something that's been bothering me...

We were told (more or less) that Oceanic 815 was brought down because of the magnetic field generated when Desmond was late punching in the numbers at the Swan station, right? BUT, obviously, there was some reason that flight was brought down otherwise, what with all of the people linked together and with the island....So, which is it?

Try using circular logic and the answer will become obvious.

Remember, Daniel has already told us that Time is like a Record player(and we've seen on numerous occasions thru-out this series hints to that as well).

So you see; the reason they are linked together is that they crashed on the Island and the reason they crashed together on the Island is that they are linked together.

Don't try to think in a straight line......you'll end up with a nose bleed;)

bewitched

02-15-2009, 09:15 PM

Jack.....remember Juliet speaking Latin? She called Richard, Ricardus. If Richard equals Ricardus then Jacob would equal Jacobus....or Jack-obus:eek: sx

Oooo, the plotus thickenus.

Try using circular logic and the answer will become obvious.

Remember, Daniel has already told us that Time is like a Record player(and we've seen on numerous occasions thru-out this series hints to that as well).

So you see; the reason they are linked together is that they crashed on the Island and the reason they crashed together on the Island is that they are linked together.

Don't try to think in a straight line......you'll end up with a nose bleed;)

I tend to think that they are approaching time from a string theory or parallel universe perspective. Nonetheless, I hadn't thought about the crash in that way.

I'm beginning to wonder if the island is where all "whens" that exist concurrently collide.

Gemini Cricket

02-16-2009, 05:36 PM

I saw Naveen Andrews today riding a bike around the Kahala Mall parking lot today. I thought about taking a picture but I thought that would be so cheesy to do.

bewitched

02-16-2009, 06:25 PM

I saw Naveen Andrews today riding a bike around the Kahala Mall parking lot today. I thought about taking a picture but I thought that would be so cheesy to do.

Naveen Andrews is totally hot!

I love the Kahala area and have been to that mall several times (in fact, when I forgot to pack my dress to change into after my wedding, I frantically searched the Kahala Mall for a replacement)...where in Honolulu is your home?

Gemini Cricket

02-16-2009, 06:31 PM

where in Honolulu is your home?
Kailua
:)

lashbear

02-16-2009, 06:57 PM

I saw Naveen Andrews today riding a bike around the Kahala Mall parking lot today. I thought about taking a picture but I thought that would be so cheesy to do.
Yes, Jumping on top of him and gyrating would have been much better... :evil:

bewitched

02-16-2009, 10:02 PM

Kailua
:)

Lucky butt. ;)
(Isn't that where Lost mostly films?)

innerSpaceman

02-17-2009, 12:30 PM

I'm always one season behind on Lost. When it starts to air, it's just a reminder to me to catch the prior season on DVD.

So I'm only halfway through Season 4 and I'm thinking of stopping with Season 4. It's just seeming like a random bunch of stuff thrown at you to keep things going rather pointlessly.

I think I'm going to hold off watching any more seasons until the show ends. I want there to be an end in sight.

SzczerbiakManiac

02-17-2009, 01:02 PM

Stick with it. Your patience will be rewarded.

mousepod

02-17-2009, 01:13 PM

iSm... I urge you not to hold off. Starting around midway through season 2, I began to wonder whether there was any resolution coming. I was concerned that they were going into X-Files territory, with lots of twisty plot threads that would ultimately be unresolved.

Turns out that I was partly right. But now it's OK. From Entertainment Weekly:
The producers have a master plan — and an exit strategy. But that master plan couldn't be unleashed fully until Lindelof and partner Carlton Cuse negotiated a series end date during season 3, a.k.a. The Year Lost Learned a Show About Castaways Stranded on an Island Can Last So Long No Matter How Clever It May Be. ''The same way our characters were sort of locked in cages in season 3, when the show went awry,'' says Cuse, ''we felt locked in cages because we didn't know if our mythology had to go two more years or nine.''

They're answering questions now. And this could be the best season since the first... if you're a sci-fi geek.

BarTopDancer

02-17-2009, 01:34 PM

iSm, I too urge you to keep watching.

They were supposed to be on a 5 year plan from the start, which is one of the only reasons I plodded through the frustrating seasons. I believe this is season 5, and they have been answering questions since the start.

scaeagles

02-17-2009, 01:35 PM

My wife is not a sci-fi geek and is losing her interest. I am a closet sci-fi geek, so I'm finding it really cool. The thing is you can't pick it up now without having seen the earlier episodes from the season. It's hard enough to know what's going on if you HAVE seen the episodes from this season thus far.

AS far as the plan, 5 season was it, but the writes strike forced them to split those 48 episodes from what would have been season 4 and 5 into 3 16 episode seasons.

BarTopDancer

02-17-2009, 01:43 PM

AS far as the plan, 5 season was it, but the writes strike forced them to split those 48 episodes from what would have been season 4 and 5 into 3 16 episode seasons.

That's right. But the general idea is still there; there is an end in site.

innerSpaceman

02-17-2009, 02:09 PM

The Sci-Fi geek in me loved the season 4 episode I left off with (The Constant), which was a great stand-alone sci-fi concept story. The other four eps so far were just stuff thrown at you, and new characters thrown in seemingly just to fill air time with more available backstories.

I'll finish Season 4, since I started it. But if Season 5 ends without the series ending, I will not be watching any more seasons until the series bloody well ends!

Twin Peaks and X-Files were two shows I LOVED that led nowhere despite pretentions to the contrary. Won'T Be fOOleD AgAIn!

Ghoulish Delight

02-17-2009, 02:12 PM

I'll finish Season 4, since I started it. But if Season 5 ends without the series ending, I will not be watching any more seasons until the series bloody well ends!
As was said, season 5 will end without an ending. Next season is the pre-ordained season end. So while there is no closure yet, there is a firm promise of closure.

innerSpaceman

02-17-2009, 03:19 PM

Ok, well since I wouldn't be starting Season 5 till Season 6 begins, it should be pretty well known by then if that's gonna be Season Last of Lost.

sleepyjeff

02-17-2009, 05:49 PM

Twin Peaks and X-Files were two shows I LOVED that led nowhere despite pretentions to the contrary. Won't Be fOOleD AgAIn!

Twin Peaks is nothing like Lost....I mean, yeah, they both have Characters named Cooper......

and Hurley

and Desmond

and Sarah

and Benjamin

and Annie

and Bernard

But that's it........Lost has the Black Rock which is clearly different from the Black Lodge.....

And a one eyed man is nothing like a bar called One Eye Jacks....

And even though Lost has a guy named Jacob who is obsessed with an Island and TP has a guy named Jacoby who is obsessed with an Island doesn't mean the shows are similar....

And I really don't want to have to get into the differences between dwarves and hobbits....at least I shouldn't have to:D

;)

JWBear

02-18-2009, 09:56 PM

Jack.....remember Juliet speaking Latin? She called Richard, Ricardus. If Richard equals Ricardus then Jacob would equal Jacobus....or Jack-obus:eek:

Actually, Iacobi (hence Jacob) is Latin for James.

Ghoulish Delight

02-18-2009, 11:35 PM

Seeing Hurley carrying a guitar case, my money is on Charlie coming back to tell him to catch the plane.

Jack said, "It's weird, I almost think John needed me to read this." Weird? WEIRD?! Two word. SMOKE MONSTER! Jack, you are no longer allowed to call something "weird".

JWBear

02-19-2009, 12:08 AM

I'm thinking that the flight crew on that plane are freaking out over several people (and a body) vanishing in mid flight. :cool:

So many questions, though.

bewitched

02-19-2009, 02:52 AM

I'm thinking that the flight crew on that plane are freaking out over several people (and a body) vanishing in mid flight. :cool:

So many questions, though.

But have they really vanished from the flight? Or are they on the plane and on the island?

I want next week's episode now!

lashbear

02-19-2009, 05:22 AM

Hey, shouldn't you be avoiding this thread? Are you guys getting the new season the same time we are?
Just popping in to let you know tonights episode in Australia was the one discussed up to and including post 102 (ie: The one where Hurley surrenders to the police and the whiny sh!t cops a flaming arrow in the chest.)

Ghoulish Delight

02-19-2009, 08:08 AM

Cadaverous Pallor

02-19-2009, 09:05 AM

Just popping in to let you know tonights episode in Australia was the one discussed up to and including post 102 (ie: The one where Hurley surrenders to the police and the whiny sh!t cops a flaming arrow in the chest.)Hey, you're not far behind - awesome! :)

Cadaverous Pallor

02-19-2009, 09:16 AM

Remember how when they crashed the first time, Jack kept seeing his dad walking around? Well now that Locke is playing the dead guy, I'd bet money that we'll see him up and around again, being all spooky and distant.

Some great twists in that one. Sayiid being brought on as a prisoner, Kate style. The copter guy showing up with the best line in the show. When the pilot says "We're not going to Guam, are we?" you know you're in trouble. :D

Can't wait for the tearful Sun and Jin reunion!

BarTopDancer

02-19-2009, 10:02 AM

But have they really vanished from the flight? Or are they on the plane and on the island?

I want next week's episode now!

If they remain consistent with previous instances of time travel, they vanished.

I wonder if "the light" only took those who were on the island to begin with. It's to late to introduce more characters.

Ghoulish Delight

02-19-2009, 10:03 AM

I wonder if "the light" only took those who were on the island to begin with. It's to late to introduce more characters.The shots of the one other dude in first class (the guy who gave his condolences to Jack at the ticketing counter) were suspicious. If he does show up on the island, I'm sure it'll be because he'd already been there before.

BarTopDancer

02-19-2009, 10:07 AM

The shots of the one other dude in first class (the guy who gave his condolences to Jack at the ticketing counter) were suspicious. If he does show up on the island, I'm sure it'll be because he'd already been there before.

I agree.

I don't have season 1, but was there someone at the airport who gave condolences to Jack then too?

Ghoulish Delight

02-19-2009, 10:12 AM

I agree.

I don't have season 1, but was there someone at the airport who gave condolences to Jack then too?
Well, there was Ana-Lucia.

Ghoulish Delight

02-19-2009, 10:13 AM

Twin Peaks is nothing like Lost....I mean, yeah, they both have Characters named Cooper......"New shoes"

sleepyjeff

02-19-2009, 11:24 AM

Actually, Iacobi (hence Jacob) is Latin for James.

As in James Sawyer?

:eek:

"New shoes"

:snap:

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-19-2009, 11:42 AM

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-19-2009, 11:45 AM

So...Penny. Dead or alive? I'm hoping we at least get a flashback because that was one HELL of a fight she put up, if she and Ben went one-on-one. Perhaps Desmond was involved, too.

If she's dead...and I'm assuming she is...poor Desmond. Then again, Ben looked pretty damn whipped. Hmm.

I wonder how pissed Jin is going to be when he sees Sun. No baby Sun.

I'm guessing Baby Sun and Baby Claire are somewhere being toddlers together, but who knows?

Cadaverous Pallor

02-19-2009, 11:59 AM

So...Penny. Dead or alive? I'm hoping we at least get a flashback because that was one HELL of a fight she put up, if she and Ben went one-on-one. Perhaps Desmond was involved, too.

If she's dead...and I'm assuming she is...poor Desmond. Then again, Ben looked pretty damn whipped. Hmm.Oh yeah, messed up Ben. Hmm. Was Desmond in the cargo hold or something?

I'm guessing Baby Sun and Baby Claire are somewhere being toddlers together, but who knows?With Baby Desmond, maybe. It's like there's a LOST orphanage somewhere.

BarTopDancer

02-19-2009, 12:03 PM

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-19-2009, 12:27 PM

Did I totally miss where they said Penny beat the crap out of Ben?

Also, they have been time traveling all over, and no one else has reverted in their age. What makes you think that Sun, Claire and Desmond would? Or are you referring to their kids?

No, that's my assumption. Ben told the gang that he had a promise to fulfill. (Presumably that refers to when Ben promised Widmore that he would kill Widmore's daughter (Penny), in retaliation for Widmore killing Ben's.) Penny was safe so long as she couldn't be found, but Desmond showing up would alert Ben to her whereabouts; he'd simply have to find the right dock.

So...I assume he found her and killed her. Though it looks like she (or Desmond, or both) put up quite the fight.

And, I'm talking about their kids. Sun left her baby behind. Kate left Aaron. I am guessing that they kept the children together, but I'm possibly way wrong about that.

scaeagles

02-19-2009, 01:09 PM

Excellent point re: Ben and Penny, Eliza

BarTopDancer

02-19-2009, 01:27 PM

No, that's my assumption. Ben told the gang that he had a promise to fulfill. (Presumably that refers to when Ben promised Widmore that he would kill Widmore's daughter (Penny), in retaliation for Widmore killing Ben's.) Penny was safe so long as she couldn't be found, but Desmond showing up would alert Ben to her whereabouts; he'd simply have to find the right dock.

Oooo!!!!!!! I completely forgot about that promise. That makes complete sense.

RStar

02-19-2009, 04:58 PM

The copter guy showing up with the best line in the show. When the pilot says "We're not going to Guam, are we?" you know you're in trouble!Oh, that's who the pilot is! The chopper pilot, Frank! I thought I should know who that was, but didn't recognise him.

BarTopDancer

02-19-2009, 05:44 PM

I'm loving the one-liners.

Last week "He's Korean, I'm from Encino"
This week "We're not going to Guam, are we?"

I hope they keep them up.

bewitched

02-19-2009, 07:07 PM

If they remain consistent with previous instances of time travel, they vanished.

But that's only with people actually on the island. What happens if you time travel to the island?

bewitched

02-19-2009, 11:57 PM

If they remain consistent with previous instances of time travel, they vanished.

I meant to point out earlier that Locke is an example of this...he is dead in the real world and alive on the island. Both places at one time (well, really 3 years apart, but time isn't moving at a parallel pace). Granted, the circumstances are different but I think it is clear that TPTB's version of "time" travel allows for a person to be in more than one reality (place and/or time). That's part of what I meant earlier when I wondered whether the Others who "left" the island (and then returned) didn't actually just inhabit 2 different realities at the same time.

Stan4dSteph

02-20-2009, 07:55 AM

On the podcast, Darlton said that 316 and the next episode are actually shown out of numbered sequence, so apparently they decided that it would be more interesting to see the effects before the cause(s).

Anyone else watching Fringe? I'm enjoying the little Lost references that are included there, although I have probably missed some. I'll have to find some geeky fan site that tracks them all. :p

sleepyjeff

02-20-2009, 11:07 AM

During season 3 Kate and Sawyer were working on what we later learned from Juliet was a landing strip.......

Could the plane have landed on the Island(well, the other Island actually) after the O-6 vanished?

Cadaverous Pallor

02-20-2009, 11:11 AM

But that's only with people actually on the island. What happens if you time travel to the island?The plane was in the Island's airspace. It's like how Jin was blown off the ship then time traveled in the water. The island has a blast zone.

As for how they got from the plane to the land, my assumption would be that you never materialize in time in mid air - though they had it much better than Locke did in the well.

I meant to point out earlier that Locke is an example of this...he is dead in the real world and alive on the island. Both places at one time (well, really 3 years apart, but time isn't moving at a parallel pace). Granted, the circumstances are different but I think it is clear that TPTB's version of "time" travel allows for a person to be in more than one reality (place and/or time). I don't think that's true at all. Locke was alive, then he left the island, and now he's dead. We were seeing it simultaneously because everything on the island was a flashback to just after the 6 left. That's why, now that they're back, they find Jin in a new circumstance, driving a Dharma van, because he's been living on the island for 3 years since they left.

SzczerbiakManiac

02-20-2009, 01:08 PM

Cadaverous Pallor

02-20-2009, 01:32 PM

If the Island has always been traveling through time like Eloise Hawking said, how is it that the freighter could stay parked outside of the Island's "blast zone" and venture to it any time they pleased—bearing 300º or not?She said they were able to predict the when and where it would be, and that it was in a spot for a window, and that this current window was about to close. The island isn't constantly moving, it's still for a bit, then moves, then still, then moves. Remember all the talk about "moving the island"?

BarTopDancer

02-20-2009, 01:42 PM

I think the island was jumping more because Ben had moved it, but the donkey wheel was off. When they stabilized it the island was more stable in time.

Pirate Bill

02-20-2009, 01:50 PM

If the Island has always been traveling through time like Eloise Hawking said...

I don't think the island has always been moving through time. It has been moving from location to location. Her words (paraphrased...but I watched it 3 times yesterday so I might be close), "Instead of trying to discover where the island is supposed to be, they found a way to locate where it's going to be...in time." She emphasized "time" which makes it sound like it is time traveling always. But I think it actually means they can predict the where and when. As in, "the island will be located at these exact coordinates at this exact time."

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-20-2009, 04:38 PM

Anyone else watching Fringe? I'm enjoying the little Lost references that are included there, although I have probably missed some. I'll have to find some geeky fan site that tracks them all. :p

Yes. I haven't gone crazy trying to identify them, because I know there really just referenced for the sake of fandom, and don't really impact the plot of either show. Do think it's a cool that both shows exist in basically the same verse.

bewitched

02-20-2009, 10:50 PM

Anyone else watching Fringe? :p

I tried to watch it, and like it. I really did. But Olivia's voice annoyed the holy crap out of me.

The plane was in the Island's airspace. It's like how Jin was blown off the ship then time traveled in the water. The island has a blast zone.

But that doesn't negate the idea that they can occupy 2 different realities (times/places) at the same time.

I don't think that's true at all. Locke was alive, then he left the island, and now he's dead. We were seeing it simultaneously because everything on the island was a flashback to just after the 6 left. That's why, now that they're back, they find Jin in a new circumstance, driving a Dharma van, because he's been living on the island for 3 years since they left.

I've always had the impression that time moves much more slowly on the island than it does off of the island. I don't remember them ever insinuating or showing that they were just leaving out 2 9/10 years on the island. Jack stated that Locke came to him and Kate a couple of months ago (In There's no Place Like Home), not a couple of years ago.

innerSpaceman

02-22-2009, 11:55 PM

Hello again from the guy who's always one season behind.

So the 4th season picked up nicely. I'll even buy the excuse of the writer's strike for not being able to develop the characters they added. And the season got better and better as it went along.

So now I don't feel like waiting a whole 'nuther year to catch up. Are season 5 episodes available online anywhere??

Cadaverous Pallor

02-23-2009, 12:30 PM

But that doesn't negate the idea that they can occupy 2 different realities (times/places) at the same time. Where do you see evidence of that idea?

bewitched

02-23-2009, 05:14 PM

Where do you see evidence of that idea?

I don't remember them ever insinuating or showing that they were just leaving out 2 9/10 years on the island. Jack stated that Locke came to him and Kate a couple of months ago (In There's no Place Like Home), not a couple of years ago.

I'm also still standing by my feeling that I think they are skipping through time based on a parallel universe or multiverse theory, both of which postulate that all times exist concurrently and moving through time would not be skipping forward or backward linearly but moving from one already existing world (not constrained by time) to another. The most reasonable mode of travel between universes on the show, IMO (based on what I've seen) would be through wormholes (which, while not general referred to in most multiverse theories, does provide a means of travel which is not rejected in the theory). In this scenario, one would in effect, exist in two places at one time since the person entering the wormhole would only "appear" to be gone for an infinitesimally small fraction of a second to the people observing (ala the movie Contact). This would also explain why "windows are only open for a finite period of time" (as Eloise stated) since one end of a traversable wormhole in physics is generally regarded as being "accelerated" or to have a higher gravitational field than the other end, i.e. are not stationary. This allows for time at the exit to have moved at a slower pace than time at the entrance (although time within the wormhole would seem to move at a consistent pace).

I once heard someone describe parallel universes as "we are all living and all dying at all times"; in other words, we are, in effect, immortal. One of the guys that writes the show said in an interview that their concept of time travel was rooted in a scientifically accepted theory.

Ghoulish Delight

02-23-2009, 05:24 PM

I'm also still standing by my feeling that I think they are skipping through time based on a parallel universe or multiverse theory, both of which postulate that all times exist concurrently and moving through time would not be skipping forward or backward linearly but moving from one already existing world (not constrained by time) to another. The most reasonable mode of travel between universes on the show, IMO (based on what I've seen) would be through wormholes (which, while not general referred to in most multiverse theories, does provide a means of travel which is not rejected in the theory). In this scenario, one would in effect, exist in two places at one time since the person entering the wormhole would only "appear" to be gone for an infinitesimally small fraction of a second to the people observing (ala the movie Contact). But that's completely inconsistent with Rousseau's account of Jin disappearing when the flash happened.

This would also explain why "windows are only open for a finite period of time" (as Eloise stated) The "windows are only open for a finite period of time" because the island moves. The room with pendulum tells them, "during the period of time between x & y, the island will be in this location. After time y, the island will move and we don't know where it will be." It has nothing to do with time travel. There has been nothing that says the island itself travels in time, it seems to be moving in space instead.

BarTopDancer

02-23-2009, 06:10 PM

So now I don't feel like waiting a whole 'nuther year to catch up. Are season 5 episodes available online anywhere??

ABC.com.

I think Lost is probably the one show you don't have to worry about ending abruptly. The small revolt from Jericho viewers will look like child's play compared to the revolt from Lost viewers if they randomly pull the plug.

bewitched

02-23-2009, 06:32 PM

But that's completely inconsistent with Rousseau's account of Jin disappearing when the flash happened.

Not necessarily. Insofar as I know, the people moving through time on the island are only moving through the past. I have never read anything in this theory (although granted, my knowledge is limited to a layman's study) that says people in the past would experience a time/space traveler as a permanent fixture. In my understanding, all times/spaces already exist as do the people and things in them. Someone moving from their own current universe would only occupy another immutable universe for a fixed period of time before moving on to another, or back to their own universe. I also accept the idea that even if this is the overriding theory that they are using, they are not above tweaking it for their purposes.

The "windows are only open for a finite period of time" because the island moves. The room with pendulum tells them, "during the period of time between x & y, the island will be in this location. After time y, the island will move and we don't know where it will be." It has nothing to do with time travel. There has been nothing that says the island itself travels in time, it seems to be moving in space instead.

Parallel universes/multiverses allows for space/time travel. It is still, technically time travel because all times (and places in time) exist at once, including all possible current times. In this theory, the island's movement through space would be the island moving between many possible current times.

bewitched

02-23-2009, 11:34 PM

As an aside, if you remember at the Orchid station, on the instruction tape, Marvin Candle said the station sat on a store of "exotic matter". Morris-Thorne wormholes are postulated to be held open (or stable) by a form of "exotic matter".

Cadaverous Pallor

02-24-2009, 12:57 AM

IMHO, you're adding an extra crunchy layer which the show doesn't have any real evidence of, and doesn't answer any questions. Sure, all things are possible. But why try to make it more complicated? ;)

Pirate Bill

02-24-2009, 08:57 AM

Anyone else watching Fringe? I'm enjoying the little Lost references that are included there, although I have probably missed some.

I just got all caught up on Fringe and I haven't caught a single Lost reference. Can you give me some examples?

Stan4dSteph

02-24-2009, 09:52 AM

I just got all caught up on Fringe and I haven't caught a single Lost reference. Can you give me some examples?The only one I've caught was an Oceanic Airlines ticket that was in someone's apartment. There are apparently a lot more.

Pirate Bill

02-24-2009, 10:22 AM

I just found a LostPedia entry (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Overlaps_between_Fringe_and_Lost) that tries to flesh out the overlaps between Lost and Fringe. Other than the Oceanic Airline ticket and shared cast, everything else is really a stretch.

It's my understanding that Oceanic Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_Airlines) is not unique to Lost.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-24-2009, 02:34 PM

I just got all caught up on Fringe and I haven't caught a single Lost reference. Can you give me some examples?

I think both there's a link to Lost's time/space focus and the emerging multiverse focus on Fringe. The evidence connecting the shows may be thin, but the writers/producers have basically confirmed that both shows are playing around in the same universe, however different they are doing so. The "science" of Fringe resembles some of the "science" explored by the Dharma Initiative on Lost. I don't think there are plans to do crossover events or anything similarly obvious or extreme. Seems more a nod to the uber fans of both shows than anything else.

Betty

02-24-2009, 04:37 PM

Apparently I need to check out Fringe. I'm not surprised, I'm always behind on these things.

bewitched

02-24-2009, 06:04 PM

Ghoulish Delight

02-26-2009, 12:20 AM

Cadaverous Pallor

02-26-2009, 09:09 AM

Remember how when they crashed the first time, Jack kept seeing his dad walking around? Well now that Locke is playing the dead guy, I'd bet money that we'll see him up and around again, being all spooky and distant.Wow, this may be the first time that I actually predicted something on this show correctly....though he isn't spooky and distant. CLOSE ENOUGH!

BarTopDancer

02-26-2009, 09:55 AM

I mentioned on twitter I'd elaborate more here..

I really didn't like how they showed Ben killing Locke. I know it was necessary so there were "no questions" but it still bothered me. I think they could have cut away more and then show the scene where Ben was cleaning up then Locke hanging. But that's my personal preference.

LSPoorEeyorick

02-26-2009, 10:53 AM

Does anyone remember how Locke came to know of Ell=oise Hawking?

I just presumed that someone who spoke with him (Richard, or Christian) told him at a moment that we didn't see on camera.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-26-2009, 11:32 AM

Okay, time passage is warped on the island vs. off (which now that I think about it follows from the episode where Faraday was shooting rockets off the island). So that covers the 3 year discrepancy.

Now, is it just Ben and John who don't time travel or is it the fact that one was severely injured and the other dead?

Does anyone remember how Locke came to know of Ell=oise Hawking?

I think Ben and John left the island under different circumstances than the Oceanic survivors, and so had to return the old fashioned way? Meaning, they had to crush. That's my guess.

I would also guess that Widmore provided Locke with a file on Hawking. Since Widmore knew about her and her whereabouts (him being the one who informed Desmond.)

I am curious to know if Ben was actually doing Locke a favor. Perhaps a suicide cannot resurrect? And I do think Locke is resurrected - not an Island ghost. I think he's alive. The van where he was being stored (by Ben) anagrams to Resurrection, which is different than what Christian, Charlie, and other deaders are like. I also suspect that Christian was always a part of the island...

Ben took care of Locke's body for a reason. Then again, he killed him just as soon as Locke revealed Hawking's whereabouts, so it's just as possible that Ben's only intention was to keep Locke alive long enough to get what he needed from him. Ah, Ben and Widmore. Both seem to have the island's best interests at heart (? - or not), but both are bad mother****ers.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-26-2009, 11:32 AM

Wow, this may be the first time that I actually predicted something on this show correctly....though he isn't spooky and distant. CLOSE ENOUGH!

I think that's because he's resurrected, not a ghost. He's very likely flesh and blood, those he has yet to physically interact with anyone so it's not a proven theory.

SzczerbiakManiac

02-26-2009, 11:44 AM

I think Ben and John left the island under different circumstances than the Oceanic survivors, and so had to return the old fashioned way? Meaning, they had to crush.To crush? I don't understand. What are they crushing?

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-26-2009, 11:45 AM

To crush? I don't understand. What are they crushing?

Crash.

SzczerbiakManiac

02-26-2009, 12:17 PM

Ah, sorry. I thought it might have been a typo but I couldn't figure it out.

I should have though because that was a pretty easy one. <smacks forehead>

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-26-2009, 12:27 PM

Ah, sorry. I thought it might have been a typo but I couldn't figure it out.

I should have though because that was a pretty easy one. <smacks forehead>

No, best to check with me. Heh. My brain very frequently takes the word I want to use and replaces it with something totally random and unrelated. I figure I've had a stroke I don't know about.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-26-2009, 01:59 PM

Hmm, to shoot holes in some of my earlier musings, a friend pointed out that Christian's body was also missing after the plane crashed. And he's able to hold baby Aaron, so he can be corporeal. Hmm, hmm, hmm.

bewitched

02-26-2009, 07:35 PM

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-26-2009, 07:38 PM

GD, I would assume Daniel told Locke about his mother since they were all together before Locke went back. Daniel seems to know that his mother knows how to get to the island. (Although I suppose Widmore could have also told him since he obviously knows where Eloise is.)

I'm curious why Ben seemed genuinely interested in helping Locke until Locke said he knew about Eloise Hawking then BAM!

Either Ben's reason for killing Locke was metaphysical (a suicide couldn't resurrect, perhaps) or he needed information from him before he could die. Since he killed Ben right after he mentioned Hawking's whereabouts, I'd wager that's the information he needed.

Ghoulish Delight

02-26-2009, 09:07 PM

Either Ben's reason for killing Locke was metaphysical (a suicide couldn't resurrect, perhaps) or he needed information from him before he could die. Since he killed Ben right after he mentioned Hawking's whereabouts, I'd wager that's the information he needed.It seemed less that he was waiting for the right moment to kill Locke, and more like a sudden change of plan upon learning that Locke knew of Eloise. For some reason, Ben really didn't want Locke to find her. I mean, when we see Ben and Eloise together later, there's no hint of, "Damnit, how did HE find me?" She seems perfectly fine with Ben knowing where she is.

That's why I'm so interested to figure out how Locke found out about her. Who gave him knowledge that Ben didn't want him to have?

Stan4dSteph

02-26-2009, 09:17 PM

That's why I'm so interested to figure out how Locke found out about her. Who gave him knowledge that Ben didn't want him to have?Christian gave Locke her name right before Locke left the island. My guess is "dude from Fringe" gave Locke her whereabouts.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812

02-27-2009, 03:40 PM

It seemed less that he was waiting for the right moment to kill Locke, and more like a sudden change of plan upon learning that Locke knew of Eloise. For some reason, Ben really didn't want Locke to find her. I mean, when we see Ben and Eloise together later, there's no hint of, "Damnit, how did HE find me?" She seems perfectly fine with Ben knowing where she is.

That's why I'm so interested to figure out how Locke found out about her. Who gave him knowledge that Ben didn't want him to have?

I'm sorry, I continue to not understand why he wouldn't have acquired that knowledge from Widmore. Widmore knew about Hawkings. I assume he supplied Locke with her file, same as the rest.

And that's a good point about Ben not wanting Locke to know about her. That further makes me think it was Widmore who supplied the information.

Betty

02-27-2009, 04:45 PM

What is this war the speak of?

You think it's a Ben vs. Whidmore type of thing?

Ghoulish Delight

02-27-2009, 04:52 PM

I'm sorry, I continue to not understand why he wouldn't have acquired that knowledge from Widmore.
See Steph's quote below. I thought I remembered that much, wanted confirmation.
Christian gave Locke her name right before Locke left the island. My guess is "dude from Fringe" gave Locke her whereabouts.
Dude from Fringe? I'm not watching Fringe, so no idea who that might be. Is it the now-dead driver?

What is this war the speak of?

You think it's a Ben vs. Whidmore type of thing?
It was either Ben or Widmore who mentioned a coming war on the island to Locke, and that he should be on the "right side".

bewitched

02-27-2009, 09:01 PM

Dude from Fringe? I'm not watching Fringe, so no idea who that might be. Is it the now-dead driver?

Yes, the driver.

It was either Ben or Widmore who mentioned a coming war on the island to Locke, and that he should be on the "right side".

Widmore said it. The simple answer is that he means a war between him and Ben. On the other hand, nothing on Lost is ever simple.

sleepyjeff

03-03-2009, 03:51 PM

How does Sun "know" Ben killed Jin?

Only Locke would know this and Locke never talked to Sun.

I think this is VERY important.

Especially given the fact that the second to last thing Locke told Ben before Ben strangled him was the news that Jin was still alive.

lashbear

03-04-2009, 04:31 AM

I am just about to record tonights episode (as it's 10:30PM and we can't stay up that late to watch it...)

Here's what we're seeing:

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The Little Prince

Kate discovers that someone knows the secret of Aaron's true parental lineage. Meanwhile, the dramatic shifts through time are placing the lives of the remaining island survivors at risk.

scaeagles

03-04-2009, 08:18 PM

I don't get to see the episode tonight. Our local station is experiencing technical difficulties. Sigh. online tomorrow, I suppose - at least ABC makes them available relatively quickly.

bewitched

03-05-2009, 12:47 AM

YAY, Sawyer and Juliet!!!

Cadaverous Pallor

03-05-2009, 09:26 AM

I was happy to see that Sawyer got himself some peace during the 3 years - even if I still cannot stand the actress who plays Juliet.

I LOVED the end of this episode and cannot wait until next week. What a great season this is!

New theory. Ben was injured in the crash. Everyone else (that we've seen so far) was magically transported to the island completely unharmed (and in Locke's case, rejuvenated). This means the island hates Ben, Ben is truly evil, and destined to lose. This does not vindicate Widmore though. I hope both of them go down.

JWBear

03-05-2009, 10:27 AM

Also, The O6 ended up in 1977 with Saywer (excuse me... "LaFleur") et al. Ben and Locke did not. Interesting.

Ghoulish Delight

03-05-2009, 10:39 AM

Also, The O6 ended up in 1977 with Saywer (excuse me... "LaFleur") et al. Ben and Locke did not. Interesting.
I figured that much out last week. There's no way Jin arrives in a pristine VW bus and a pristine Dharma jumpsuit unless they are back in time.

Though now that I think about it, my initial theory that being sufficiently injured prevents you from time traveling is shaky, what with Jin bouncing around while unconscious. So there's got to be some other explanation for Ben not making the jump.

Of course, we only know about Kate, Hurley, and Jack. No telling yet where Sun and Sayid are. Am I missing anyone else from the plane?