Yes, we can.

[scaeagles]

CP, are you suggesting that you don't want all aspects of Obama discussed here? If so, I'll step out, because i am not an Obama enthusiast.

But as that request hasn't been made yet....

I've been trying to really think about what bothers me about what Mrs. Obama said....she wasn't speaking off the cuff. It was a prepared comment. She had the time to review what she wanted to say and worded it this way anyway. This tells me that she isn't proud that we led the way to the fall of the Soviet Union - and if she doesn't believe it was because of the US and UK, that bothers me all the more. There are too many things the US does that are good to say she hasn't been proud of the US in her adult life. Unless she's only 20. Then I guess I could understand it a bit more.

[3894]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I've been trying to really think about what bothers me about what Mrs. Obama said....she wasn't speaking off the cuff. It was a prepared comment. She had the time to review what she wanted to say and worded it this way anyway. This tells me that she isn't proud that we led the way to the fall of the Soviet Union - and if she doesn't believe it was because of the US and UK, that bothers me all the more. There are too many things the US does that are good to say she hasn't been proud of the US in her adult life. Unless she's only 20. Then I guess I could understand it a bit more.

With all due respect, scaeagles, it's not rocket science. Mrs. Obama is an African-American woman. She was talking about living people who've endured Jim Crow laws, who thought that they'd never, ever see an African-American run for president in their lifetime.

It's a squeeze into those pink, pointy-toed pumps, but put yourself in her shoes. It takes a hell of a lot of love for your country to let your spouse run for president. It takes triple that if he's a black man and triple- prime assassination target.

Edited to add: The extreme right wing's attacks on the patriotism of other Americans is beyond tiresome, beyond boring, and right into past-date garbage.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Oh, right, I started a thread for Obama enthusiasts. Forgot about that.

Sorry if I took away from your thread - it was not my intention. I tried to focus on responding to some things being said here and once it stopped; I stopped.

Sorry for the hijack.

[JWBear]

I think the Clinton campaign is starting to sound desperate.

[Stan4dSteph]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I doubt the French really care what we think of France.

Maybe not, but they sure are interested in our election. They love to talk politics. Also, I think it's far more important to have a good foreign policy than saying he/she will fix the economy. In this age of global markets, there's not a lot a president can do to change things, but a bad foreign policy can do a lot of damage. Witness the past 8 years...

Not giving a crap about the rest of the world is an ignorant way to go about life.

[wendybeth]

I agree, JW- they are sounding a bit desperate. I hope things don't get too down and dirty; we really don't need any more mud-wallowing in this country. I keep hoping Obama doesn't rise to the bait and runs as clean a campaign as he can. Might be naive of me, but that's what I hope.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I agree, JW- they are sounding a bit desperate. I hope things don't get too down and dirty; we really don't need any more mud-wallowing in this country. I keep hoping Obama doesn't rise to the bait and runs as clean a campaign as he can. Might be naive of me, but that's what I hope.

I join you in your naive hopes!

But if it comes down to Obama vs. McCain (which was my prediction a while back), I predict some ugly mudslinging from the extremist cons.

[Alex]

It was nice to see in McCain's speech last night that he has apparently endorsed Obama for the Democratic nomination.

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I join you in your naive hopes!

But if it comes down to Obama vs. McCain (which was my prediction a while back), I predict some ugly mudslinging from the extremist cons.

I'll second your naive hopes and raise you a milkshake.

I think <Old English Font>There Will Be Mudslinging </Old English Font>

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by 3894

With all due respect, scaeagles, it's not rocket science. Mrs. Obama is an African-American woman. She was talking about living people who've endured Jim Crow laws, who thought that they'd never, ever see an African-American run for president in their lifetime.

It's a squeeze into those pink, pointy-toed pumps, but put yourself in her shoes. It takes a hell of a lot of love for your country to let your spouse run for president. It takes triple that if he's a black man and triple- prime assassination target.

Edited to add: The extreme right wing's attacks on the patriotism of other Americans is beyond tiresome, beyond boring, and right into past-date garbage.

Hmmm....I dont recall Jim Crow laws during her adult life.....she said during her adult life. She has obviously been so downtrodden (I'm being sarcastic with that in case it didn't come across). She didn't say she didn't love her country. She said there was nothing in the last 26 years (she's 44) that she's been proud of. That's ridiculous and after thinking about it, I make no apology for calling her out about it. She said it twice during the day in two different locations. She meant exactly what she said.

And I'm not going to fall for the extreme right wing attack on Patriotism rhetoric. I did no such thing except to point out a major and world changing historical event. I didn't put words in her mouth.