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scaeagles · 05-04-2008, 10:52 AM

I'll need to try to find a transcript of the program. Did he address the windfall profits tax? I personally agree that the economics of the gas tax suspension don't do much and could indeed be harmful, however I believe a windfall profits tax is far more harmful. Anyway, did that come up?

innerSpaceman · 05-04-2008, 11:13 AM

Nope. Wasn't raised by Russert.

Alex · 05-04-2008, 11:56 AM

In his answer Obama mentioned the windfall tax as something both he and Clinton wanted (in the context of the fact that Clinton has already committed the money from the windfall tax to energy independence measures and therefore by saying she'd use it to cover the revenues from a tax holiday she was double spending it). But yeah, there was no discussion of its merits.

I'd oppose one. I'd also support ending all tax incentives and direct subsidies they receive.

Morrigoon · 05-06-2008, 04:52 PM

Well, Obama took North Carolina

Indiana's going to be much harder. Looks like he's a little bit behind there.

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 06:18 AM

Very interesting.....reports are out this morning that Clinton has made a multi-million daloor loan to her campaign today. This would seem to suggest that she is certainly not dropping out yet.

What I think is bizarre about how the democrats have their primary system set up is the porportional distribution of delegates. Even with his 14 pt win in NC and 2 pt loss in IN, Obama only picked up something like 17 delegates in the margin.

Clinton is going to be hitting the super delegates HARD today and over the next week. Remember the 900 FBI files the Clintons acquired? I wonder how many of those were on dem super delegates. I would not put anything past the Clintons, even blackmail.

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-07-2008, 07:35 AM

At this point she should just be embarrassed to continue, but then I remembered that the Clintons do not get embarrassed about anything. I remembered when I thought that President Clinton would leave office out of sheer embarrassment, but I totally underestimated his ability to put up with being a liar in front of the entire world.

I simply cannot wait until the kicking-and-screaming moment when she is silenced, just because at this point she's running on sheer chutzpah, not reality. Bottom line - She Is Hurting The Party. How unbelievably selfish of her, if she continues.

Moonliner · 05-07-2008, 07:40 AM

I just can't helping thinking that from the Clinton's perspective, if she can't win the nomination this year then the next best thing for her is if McCain wins and she can run again in four years.

If Obama wins then she's pretty much cooked for good as far as the presidency goes.

So knowing that the longer this drags out, the better it is for the Republicans......

3894 · 05-07-2008, 08:03 AM

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How unbelievably selfish of her, if she continues.

Lots of people have pointed out that Sen. Clinton's rhetoric is I, me, mine but Sen. Obama's is We, us, our. It's a simple but important difference and one you'd think Sen. Clinton would have appropriated. But no and so her language comes off as egocentric and self-involved, which reinforces the perception of her candidacy as about her and no one else.

My husband thinks Sen. Clinton has gone off the deep end and that her advisers will earn their pay by pulling her back to reality.

scaeagles · 05-07-2008, 08:11 AM

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I just can't helping thinking that from the Clinton's perspective, if she can't win the nomination this year then the next best thing for her is if McCain wins and she can run again in four years.

If Obama wins then she's pretty much cooked for good as far as the presidency goes.

So knowing that the longer this drags out, the better it is for the Republicans......

I have heard theories on this and would not be at all surprised if this is her angle. Should that happen, and McCain defeats Obama, it will be very interesting to see the dynamics in the Senate for the next 4 years as those two will basically continue the campaign and struggle for power and influence far beyond the norm.

Clinton, Inc. is all about the power and influence of the Clintons and the fact that they will do anything to acquire and maintain it. This has indeed always been the case.

Obama is well polished in his rhetoric, but I don't buy the "our" and "we" stuff. It is "we" and "our" only for those that wish to accomplish the same agenda. I have no problem with that (beyond that he scares the hell out of me) - elections mean things and if he wins, he should try to push his agenda through.

Gemini Cricket · 05-07-2008, 09:14 AM

Time for Hillary to stop.
Obama can't fly if she's blocking the runway.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'll need to try to find a transcript of the program. Did he address the windfall profits tax? I personally agree that the economics of the gas tax suspension don't do much and could indeed be harmful, however I believe a windfall profits tax is far more harmful. Anyway, did that come up?
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Nope. Wasn't raised by Russert.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	In his answer Obama mentioned the windfall tax as something both he and Clinton wanted (in the context of the fact that Clinton has already committed the money from the windfall tax to energy independence measures and therefore by saying she'd use it to cover the revenues from a tax holiday she was double spending it). But yeah, there was no discussion of its merits. I'd oppose one. I'd also support ending all tax incentives and direct subsidies they receive.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Well, Obama took North Carolina Indiana's going to be much harder. Looks like he's a little bit behind there. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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05-07-2008, 06:18 AM	#915
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Very interesting.....reports are out this morning that Clinton has made a multi-million daloor loan to her campaign today. This would seem to suggest that she is certainly not dropping out yet. What I think is bizarre about how the democrats have their primary system set up is the porportional distribution of delegates. Even with his 14 pt win in NC and 2 pt loss in IN, Obama only picked up something like 17 delegates in the margin. Clinton is going to be hitting the super delegates HARD today and over the next week. Remember the 900 FBI files the Clintons acquired? I wonder how many of those were on dem super delegates. I would not put anything past the Clintons, even blackmail.
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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	At this point she should just be embarrassed to continue, but then I remembered that the Clintons do not get embarrassed about anything. I remembered when I thought that President Clinton would leave office out of sheer embarrassment, but I totally underestimated his ability to put up with being a liar in front of the entire world. I simply cannot wait until the kicking-and-screaming moment when she is silenced, just because at this point she's running on sheer chutzpah, not reality. Bottom line - She Is Hurting The Party. How unbelievably selfish of her, if she continues. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	I just can't helping thinking that from the Clinton's perspective, if she can't win the nomination this year then the next best thing for her is if McCain wins and she can run again in four years. If Obama wins then she's pretty much cooked for good as far as the presidency goes. So knowing that the longer this drags out, the better it is for the Republicans...... __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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05-07-2008, 09:14 AM	#920
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Time for Hillary to stop. Obama can't fly if she's blocking the runway.
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