Yes, we can.

[scaeagles]

You know, when I change the subject when someone points out something about the republican party or McCain by pointing out something the dems do wrong, I am usually chastized for it. But no, flippy, I didn't bring those things up for that reason....I brought them up because they are concerning.

My point has nothing to do with what McCain is or isn't doing....my point is that Obama is deliberately misrepresenting and not telling the truth regarding his tax plan. I suppose if the Republicans redefined rich as anyone with a net worth over 10 billion they could say they have never supported tax cuts for the wealthy. I don't care if you support Obama or not whether all or in part due to his tax cuts. The fact is he is LIEING specifically to sway undecided voters. As tax policy is a big, big point for a large number of voters, it is no doubt intentional. I recall the Obama tax cut link to calculate the tax cut you'll get if Obama is elected....something tells me that a lot of people find it important, particularly with the hits Obama is giving McCain on the "tax cuts for the wealthy" and the responses to those here.

Regarding voter fraud - the investigations are serious and ongoing into ACORN. I also believe that being regiestered to vote in more than one place is a crime. I could be mistaken, and if so, I apologize.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

And Republicans will go to great lengths to keep it that way. Smears and lies, again, being the favorite tactic of the Republican Party.

Voter fraud is one of the favorite tactics of dems....cheating, smearing, lieing....all democrat party strategies.

[wendybeth]

Leo must have read the latest poll numbers.



(I know I commit voter fraud on a daily basis. I get up and the first thing I say to myself is "Wendy, have you committed your voter fraud today?" I have to remind myself to stay on task, because I'm so busy having abortions and sneaking terrorists across the border. Being a Dem is hard work!)

[scaeagles]

Actually, the latest poll numbers are closing the gap. I doubt it will be enough, but they are narrowing.

[Moonliner]

Vote fraud is a very serious issue, even more so with all these ****ing electronic voting systems. They raise the specter of a stolen election like nothing else in the history of our democracy. I'm fairly sure I don't want our election process to become one of who the best hackers support. Especially since BOTH parties have been clearly shown to have members not above stealing an election.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Voter fraud is one of the favorite tactics of dems....cheating, smearing, lieing....all democrat party strategies.

Actually... In the last two presidential elections there was vastly more voter fraud (and blatant voter suppression) on the part of the Republicans. The old "Your friend shoplifted, so you have to let me commit armed robbery" defense is old, tired, and just plain indefensible.

The massive amounts of dirty tricks, lies, corruption, hypocrisy, and just plain nastiness on the part of the Republicans over the last eight years - vastly outnumbering the Democrats by orders of magnitude - have made me lose any trust or support for Republicans I ever had. I've voted for candidates from both parties equally in the past. No more. I've moved from a moderate to a staunch Democrat now. You can thank your party for that.

[Morrigoon]

But, JW, to be fair, the whining about recounts in the last election was pretty irritating for republicans. And there was plenty of talk about hanging chads becoming less hanging, IYKWIM.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Vote fraud is a very serious issue, even more so with all these ****ing electronic voting systems. They raise the specter of a stolen election like nothing else in the history of our democracy. I'm fairly sure I don't want our election process to become one of who the best hackers support. Especially since BOTH parties have been clearly shown to have members not above stealing an election.

Fortunately, that tactic only works when the vote is close. If the final tally from the electronic machines is very far off of what the polls (including exit polls), then it becomes too obvious. they will try it, though.

Who is the biggest manufacturer of electronic voting machines? Debolt.
Which brand of voting machine seems to have the most instances of changing Democratic votes to Republican ones - in error, of course (wink, wink)? Debolt.
Which party does Debolt contribute the most money to? The Republican Party.

Hmmmmmm.... No, there couldn't be any relation there...

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

But, JW, to be fair, the whining about recounts in the last election was pretty irritating for republicans. And there was plenty of talk about hanging chads becoming less hanging, IYKWIM.

Soooo... You're saying that when there are signs of voter fraud, the losing party just has to shut up and take it? I don't think so.

I'm so very sorry they were irritated. How inconsiderate of us for wanting a fair chance at the White House.

[wendybeth]

A voter recount gave our governor the election. Now, her old opponent is claiming that "Seattle stole the election" and has pasted billboards all over Eastern Wa saying so. It's not having the effect he hoped for.