The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

People like O'Donnel want to impose their narrow version of Christianity on the entire nation, and outlaw everything else. They want it to be law....They want us all to live under a fundamentalist Christian sharia law.

You say this with the same proof as people who claim Obama is a Muslim.

After a very brief and completely not thorough search, I find I wasn't too far off, but my data (based on this one citing) is about a year old.

From a recent CNN story:

The poll -- which combines two surveys conducted from July to September of this year -- found that 42 percent of Americans favor same-sex marriage, while 48 percent oppose it.

In polls conducted in 2009, 37 percent favored gay marriage while 54 percent were opposed, Pew said.

Not too far off the 20% I referenced off the top of my head, but again, a year old.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

The fact that so many terrorists had seemed to be so assimilated into western culture (BBQ's with neighbors, partying at bars and strip clubs, living in suburbs, etc) makes it difficult for any Muslim to claim no affiliation or sympathies with extremists- people just say "yeah, that's what they want us to believe, but I'm not buying it".

I can see that. The reason is that the most vocal in the Islamic world are the extremists - as is the case in most groups of people. If the leadership in the Islamic community that opposes terrorism and Islamic extremism would become the most vocal and loudly oppose bin Laden and his ilk then the idea that not all Muslims want to kill the infidel would gain traction and eventually be accepted.

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

If the leadership in the Islamic community that opposes terrorism and Islamic extremism would become the most vocal and loudly oppose bin Laden and his ilk then the idea that not all Muslims want to kill the infidel would gain traction and eventually be accepted.

Sure. But why do they have to reach that bar? I read lots of your posts, and I rarely see you condemning the God Hates Fags people.

Once you start condemning them here every day, I'll be a little less suspicious of your "Christianity".

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I can see that. The reason is that the most vocal in the Islamic world are the extremists

Are they the most vocal, or are they the ones that your window on the world gives the most voice to?

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

You say this with the same proof as people who claim Obama is a Muslim.

After a very brief and completely not thorough search, I find I wasn't too far off, but my data (based on this one citing) is about a year old.

From a recent CNN story:


Not too far off the 20% I referenced off the top of my head, but again, a year old.

The proof I have is reading what they themselves have written.

As for the poll numbers... What does it really matter anyway? Are we to begin only giving rights that the majority approves of? I don't think I want to live in your America.

Now... I want to respond to your previous message regarding separation of church and state. You stated that this is viewed as hostility towards religion. Hogwash! It’s respecting the religious rights of all people. One of the main purposes of that 1st amendment clause is to protect the religious minorities (including those who profess no religion) from the majority using government power to persecute them. Being a Christian does not give you the right to use the government to persecute those you disagree with. This same protection, by the way, keeps Christians from being persecuted too. It’s a two way street. The 1st Amendment guarantees that all religions belief is equal under the eyes of the law, and that no religion belief is promoted over any other. The separation of church and state protects everyone.

They have every right to profess that homosexuality is a sin. What they do not have the right to do is make their belief law. And I am aware of no law in this country that punishes “hate speech”. Would you care to elaborate?

And while you are at it, can you please explain just who is trying to remove crosses from Arlington? Or any of those “any number of things” you claim are persecuting Christians? What Christians have been forced to stop peacefully worshiping as they see fit? Please name the churches that have been raided; the ministers or congregants that have been jailed for their beliefs.

I can give you any number of examples of non-Christians being persecuted by Christian majorities.

Claiming that not having the right to force everyone to follow their narrow view of Christianity is somehow denying them their freedom of religion is the same as someone who kills another person with a gun claiming that laws against murder infringe on their 2nd Amendment rights.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by mousepod

Sure. But why do they have to reach that bar? I read lots of your posts, and I rarely see you condemning the God Hates Fags people.

Once you start condemning them here every day, I'll be a little less suspicious of your "Christianity".

I condemn the God Hates Fags people. I will condemn them every time I hear of them doing their stupid stuff.

Something tells me that isn't going to help your suspicion.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Are they the most vocal, or are they the ones that your window on the world gives the most voice to?

Perhaps there is valid insight in that post.

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I condemn the God Hates Fags people. I will condemn them every time I hear of them doing their stupid stuff.

Something tells me that isn't going to help your suspicion.

Touché.

But you get my point.

Since I'm not a church-going kind of guy, the majority of time I hear Christian leaders on TV is when they're condemning something.

It would make anyone suspicious.

[scaeagles]

Crap, JW...I just wrote a lengthy response to your post and it took too long and I lost it. No time to repeat now, but I will eventually.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by mousepod

But you get my point.

Since I'm not a church-going kind of guy, the majority of time I hear Christian leaders on TV is when they're condemning something.

It would make anyone suspicious.

I do get your point, and quite honestly, TV preachers make me suspicious. I am a church goer and those guys creep me out, so I can't imagine what they'd do to someone who isn't a church goer.